How are these Great Beings explained?

[siti]

Where does Christ say to adopt rituals and ceremonies?

Matthew 28:19 (command to baptize); Luke 22:19 (command on the eucharist/communion/memorial of his death)...for a couple of examples.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Where does Christ say to adopt rituals and ceremonies? He never gave any such commandments or laws. He commanded His followers to love. And there’s the Beautitudes.

This was interesting;

http://www.earthsite.org/commandments.htm

Regards Tony

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Where does Christ say to adopt rituals and ceremonies? He never gave any such commandments or laws. He commanded His followers to love. And there’s the Beautitudes.

Most religions and countries foe that matter have cultural practices embedded in their religious practice. Jews have it (jesus included). Christians have it (the bible was put together by the Church). Africans have it. I dont know. Spanish have it. And so forth.

These expressions of faith, if they were written in a book, wouls be like The Buddha's over two thousand suttas. Religions (the traditional ones) have tradition and Oral teachings passed down not written ones.

Worshiping god is a tradition. Its part of an community's culture. It cant be sliced apart.

Its not written. Its practiced. Its told. Its brought down for centuries. The Church is part of christianity. They are one of the big influences in what protestants believe now.

All of jesus laws were oral.

You cannot get much from jesus by going off written dictations from his apostles. Many christians Practice the willnof god and talk to christ directly.

You are basing another person's devotion to god based on what you read. They are basing it of what christ told them directly.

It is a direct relationship with christ.

Not with a book.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

None of the churches sacraments are laws instituted by Christ. They were made up by the church and formed into rituals. Christ made no mention that Christians were to perform any rituals.

The sacraments are not laws. They are visual expressions of someone's faith. The Church has nothing to do with it. These practices were done since Moses was kickin aroun

You are talking a out politics. I am not.

We see the body as important but subservient to the soul, spirit or higher nature.

That is why bahai is different from christianity.

Over time, people have bowed their knees before vain imaginations and called it truth and so Baha’u’llah

Bahai belief with some bias. Spirituality isnt bias and has no religion nor denomination. If you dont understand tradition, than you wont get it. Thats not a bad thing just dont belittle people who rather sign I love you god as opposed to speaking or reading a book.

It’s very clear to me when see by the condition of the world that people are not following truth but their own imaginations of truth. If they were following truth they would be united as truth is one. But we are a house divided against itself

Whose truth?

Bahai does not have The truth and being of peace and unity, this is indirectly saying others dont have the truth. Which is it.

Are they liars or not?

Everyone, including bahai, can be looking at every place but the truth. The apostles wrote that even satan can pose as light.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

We don’t need physical water in order to have a belief.

Need, no. Expression of faith, depends on the person. Some denominations dont use water. Many ways to worship god and tell him you want to folow him. It does not need to be psychic.

Its like holding the hand of a loved one in a coma. The doctors didnt say you shouldnt because your loved one wouldnt response. What they dont say cannot be held against you. So if holding their hand works when you speak, than cool. Other people play music. Some pray. Some need time of silence.

Religion is a Practice. Its your physical, mental, And spiritual relationship with (in this case) god.

You cant cut up spirituality of others and say they worship vainly, this is false, etc. Youre criticing someone's faith not what clothes they should wear.

 

[loverofhumanity]

This was interesting;

http://www.earthsite.org/commandments.htm

Regards Tony

Most beautiful. Yes it’s clear He didn’t give any laws for rituals and ceremonies just laws for the soul mainly.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Most religions and countries foe that matter have cultural practices embedded in their religious practice. Jews have it (jesus included). Christians have it (the bible was put together by the Church). Africans have it. I dont know. Spanish have it. And so forth.

These expressions of faith, if they were written in a book, wouls be like The Buddha's over two thousand suttas. Religions (the traditional ones) have tradition and Oral teachings passed down not written ones.

Worshiping god is a tradition. Its part of an community's culture. It cant be sliced apart.

Its not written. Its practiced. Its told. Its brought down for centuries. The Church is part of christianity. They are one of the big influences in what protestants believe now.

All of jesus laws were oral.

You cannot get much from jesus by going off written dictations from his apostles. Many christians Practice the willnof god and talk to christ directly.

You are basing another person's devotion to god based on what you read. They are basing it of what christ told them directly.

It is a direct relationship with christ.

Not with a book.

And they are basing it on the specific instructions of Jesus? We can worship our imaginations so great is the power of the mind but we can see the result of it in today’s world.

If we all worshipped truth and reality which is one as one truth cannot contradict another truth, then we would find ourselves united and agreed not bitterly divided and opposed.

That’s why we need Messengers to show us again the path of truth from which we have strayed from.

 

[loverofhumanity]

The sacraments are not laws. They are visual expressions of someone's faith. The Church has nothing to do with it. These practices were done since Moses was kickin aroun

You are talking a out politics. I am not.



That is why bahai is different from christianity.



Bahai belief with some bias. Spirituality isnt bias and has no religion nor denomination. If you dont understand tradition, than you wont get it. Thats not a bad thing just dont belittle people who rather sign I love you god as opposed to speaking or reading a book.



Whose truth?

Bahai does not have The truth and being of peace and unity, this is indirectly saying others dont have the truth. Which is it.

Are they liars or not?

Everyone, including bahai, can be looking at every place but the truth. The apostles wrote that even satan can pose as light.

All I’m saying is the sacraments did not originate from Jesus. They were man made and were not given to us by God.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Need, no. Expression of faith, depends on the person. Some denominations dont use water. Many ways to worship god and tell him you want to folow him. It does not need to be psychic.

Its like holding the hand of a loved one in a coma. The doctors didnt say you shouldnt because your loved one wouldnt response. What they dont say cannot be held against you. So if holding their hand works when you speak, than cool. Other people play music. Some pray. Some need time of silence.

Religion is a Practice. Its your physical, mental, And spiritual relationship with (in this case) god.

You cant cut up spirituality of others and say they worship vainly, this is false, etc. Youre criticing someone's faith not what clothes they should wear.

Everybody’s different there’s nothing wrong with that. Where things go wrong is when we attach ourselves emotionally to an untruth.

Things like racism are emotional attachments to untruths. When we attach ourselves emotionally to an untruth we can do a lot of home Cause wars and even holocausts.

When we attach ourselves on the other hand to a truth that all people are one human family then this attachment to seeing all men as brothers and sisters can eventually stoo all wars and create peace.

There are a lot of very dangerous untruths out there. Take the oppression of minorities in China or Iran. People are all human so why should some groups be profiled?

Because of an emotional attachment to an untruth. Baha’u’llah came to help us reattach our emotions to truth.

 

[siti]

Yes it’s clear He didn’t give any laws for rituals and ceremonies

Well - if you discount things like repentance, prayer, communion, baptism, disciple-making etc. as ritual or ceremonial aspects...this is precisely the kind of thing I was referring to earlier...despite very clear and clearly stated evidence to the contrary you simply restate your obviously false belief that Christ gave no commands for rituals or ceremonies - is baptism not a ritual? Is the communion not a ceremony? Was the Passover that Christ was celebrating with his disciples not a ritualistic ceremony re-enacting the night of the deliverance of the Israelites from Egypt? Obviously Christ did give some clear commands about rituals - baptism and communion, and possibly less clear but certainly valid ones (for a Christian) about other aspects such as confession (linked to repentance), marriage and receiving the holy spirit - for example. Conversely he gave specific commands against ritualizing prayer...there's quite a lot in Christ's (reported) teachings that definitely translates into ritual and ceremonial worship.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

And they are basing it on the specific instructions of Jesus? We can worship our imaginations so great is the power of the mind but we can see the result of it in today’s world.

I would never call someone else's communion with god part of their imagination. I know I am bias myself but Im speaking more from respecting other people's more so than judging whats correct and what isnt. I find that silly in spirituality.

If we all worshipped truth and reality which is one as one truth cannot contradict another truth, then we would find ourselves united and agreed not bitterly divided and op

Bahai doesnt say what is truth and what is not. Its your opinion. Your belief. Your faith. If all of you believe in the same god, bahai is part of this division too.

No one is special.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Well - if you discount things like repentance, prayer, communion, baptism, disciple-making etc. as ritual or ceremonial aspects...this is precisely the kind of thing I was referring to earlier...despite very clear and clearly stated evidence to the contrary you simply restate your obviously false belief that Christ gave no commands for rituals or ceremonies - is baptism not a ritual? Is the communion not a ceremony? Was the Passover that Christ was celebrating with his disciples not a ritualistic ceremony re-enacting the night of the deliverance of the Israelites from Egypt? Obviously Christ did give some clear commands about rituals - baptism and communion, and possibly less clear but certainly valid ones (for a Christian) about other aspects such as confession (linked to repentance), marriage and receiving the holy spirit - for example. Conversely he gave specific commands against ritualizing prayer...there's quite a lot in Christ's (reported) teachings that definitely translates into ritual and ceremonial worship.

Let’s just take Baptism. If by water is meant earthly water then when it says we must be baptised by fire why is that not taken literally too?

The most important and fundamental belief that should be exalted by Christians is to love one another. Yet Chrustianity has fallen into rituals and ceremonies and forgotten its roots - to love.

My understanding is that the church fathers instituted the sacraments to appease those who were superstitious and liked theatrics.

With 40,000 sects, the sacraments have proven impotent to unite and hold together Christians because I believe they were based on man made dogmas not specific rituals prescribed by Christ.

With all their sacraments and so many wars, the inquisition and bloodshed behind them it’s no wonder Christians have failed to bring about world peace because they are too focused on things like sacraments and rituals instead of loving one another.

There are about 40,000 sects of Christianity. Will the true one please stand up?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

All I’m saying is the sacraments did not originate from Jesus. They were man made and were not given to us by God.

Ima break it down.

How is communion man-made?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Bahai doesnt say what is truth and what is not. Its your opinion. Your belief. Your faith. If all of you believe in the same god, bahai is part of this division too.

Carlita, Baha'u'llah is very clear on this matter.

Regards Tony

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Everybody’s different there’s nothing wrong with that. Where things go wrong is when we attach ourselves emotionally to an untruth.

Things like racism are emotional attachments to untruths. When we attach ourselves emotionally to an untruth we can do a lot of home Cause wars and even holocausts.

When we attach ourselves on the other hand to a truth that all people are one human family then this attachment to seeing all men as brothers and sisters can eventually stoo all wars and create peace.

There are a lot of very dangerous untruths out there. Take the oppression of minorities in China or Iran. People are all human so why should some groups be profiled?

Because of an emotional attachment to an untruth. Baha’u’llah came to help us reattach our emotions to truth.

Some do (bahai included) some dont. I disagree with that line of judging. I mean, if its something against the law, I can qupte the laws of my state and country.

I cant do that with other persons spiritual laws. Its between them and god.

Its not that everyone is positive. There are Some people who follow laws contrary to their god. Blaming it on rituals, sacraments, and organizations is like blaming the knife that stabbed someone rather than the person.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Carlita, Baha'u'llah is very clear on this matter.

Regards Tony

I am not part of the abrahamic faith. You are part of the division just as bahallauh and everyone else.

No one is special.

 

[loverofhumanity]

I would never call someone else's communion with god part of their imagination. I know I am bias myself but Im speaking more from respecting other people's more so than judging whats correct and what isnt. I find that silly in spirituality.



Bahai doesnt say what is truth and what is not. Its your opinion. Your belief. Your faith. If all of you believe in the same god, bahai is part of this division too.

No one is special.

No of course not. People,are free to worship how they like.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Let’s just take Baptism. If by water is meant earthly water then when it says we must be baptised by fire why is that not taken literally too?

The most important and fundamental belief that should be exalted by Christians is to love one another. Yet Chrustianity has fallen into rituals and ceremonies and forgotten its roots - to love.

My understanding is that the church fathers instituted the sacraments to appease those who were superstitious and liked theatrics.

With 40,000 sects, the sacraments have proven impotent to unite and hold together Christians because I believe they were based on man made dogmas not specific rituals prescribed by Christ.

With all their sacraments and so many wars, the inquisition and bloodshed behind them it’s no wonder Christians have failed to bring about world peace because they are too focused on things like sacraments and rituals instead of loving one another.

There are about 40,000 sects of Christianity. Will the true one please stand up?

But, humanity, this is all politics. It has nothing to do what these sacred expressions, rituals, and ceremonies do and mean.

You are using The Church to a weapon to belittle the culture expressions of thounsands of people, christ included.

Some people follow christ by example. They dont need someone to say "do this or that" to follow. No direct dictations nor concrecated laws. They understand spiritually by example. Not everything is in the bible. So everyone personalize it (you too) so its important and shapes their worldview.

The apostles said baptise in water and spirit and when jesus comes they will be baptized in spirit.

They did not say "dont use water." They are bith equally important. Some christians stick with spirit others want the outward expression To and use water.

Its not breaking the law. Christians arent slaves to god.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

No of course not. People,are free to worship how they like.

Thats not the point. You are litterally putting people down for using rituals all because you both express your love for god differently.

I disagree with your opinions. You can say the same thing without putting people down for following their god given traditions.

 

[loverofhumanity]

But, humanity, this is all politics. It has nothing to do what these sacred expressions, rituals, and ceremonies do and mean.

You are using The Church to a weapon to belittle the culture expressions of thounsands of people, christ included.

Some people follow christ by example. They dont need someone to say "do this or that" to follow. No direct dictations nor concrecated laws. They understand spiritually by example. Not everything is in the bible. So everyone personalize it (you too) so its important and shapes their worldview.

The apostles said baptise in water and spirit and when jesus comes they will be baptized in spirit.

They did not say "dont use water." They are bith equally important. Some christians stick with spirit others want the outward expression To and use water.

Its not breaking the law. Christians arent slaves to god.

Christ did not institute any rituals. He spoke about love and walking a spiritual path.

There is also Baptism by fire so why is that not practised? Clearly because these thijgs are not meant literally.