How Bad Will It Get?

[Estro Felino]

Or perhaps current events are the result of his past actions.

Definitely not.
I believe that peace needs to be maintained constantly.
And during his mandate it was maintained constantly.

It's not an easy task at all.

 

[SkepticThinker]

My take on what this is means is more from the Humanist viewpoint.

I’ve lost faith in America, and that has caused me to lose a little faith in humanity itself. I don’t know how America or the world can resist Trump's worst plans. I predicted this election incorrectly, because I believed in a certain basic goodness in people that would be expressed in the solitude and sanctity of the polling booth. I was wrong. I think, frankly, that many Americans acted out of pure selfishness – because their eggs cost too much – not understanding that the inflation they so hate is the price EVERYBODY paid to ensure that hundreds of thousands of business didn’t close, that millions of your fellows would not suffer bankruptcy or penury after the pandemic. They've sold their birthright for a mess of pottage.

My worst fears, right now, are for the people who are most at risk. Today, millions must now live in fear of being swept up by Trump's cruel mass deportation plan. Documented immigrants as well as undocumented, and millions of American citizens with undocumented parents or spouses.

More Americans now must fear that they'll be forced to give birth or be denied life-saving care during an ectopic pregnancy or miscarriage. Today, America has become less safe for trans people – especially trans kids who were already at risk of violence and discrimination. It is less safe for LGBTQ+ people who have so recently won the right to love who they love, and to marry them. And anyone else – anyone who has already faced prejudice and marginalization is now in greater danger.

I fear for Ukraine, who will now in all likelihood lose their homeland and their freedom. I fear for the Palestinians of Gaza and the West Bank, since Trump has long told Benjamin Netanyahu to “do what you have to do.” And those fears lead me to fear, a little down the road, for more of Europe and for the whole Middle East.

Trump has also promised to seek revenge against his political opponents. Countless Americans are endangered now on a scale and intensity almost unheard of in modern America. Your press will become less free, and that will help to erode democracy, which is now on a downward slide. How will decent Americans, protect these people and resist these forces? I don’t know, and I don’t think you do, either. A packed Supreme Court has given him almost unchecked power.

What can anyone do now to resist the Trump/Vance Administration – how can you protect the people in harm's way, (if you even want to), and how will you preserve and reclaim your democracy. (Or are you just happy to let it go?)

Today, millions are grieving and/or frightened, and more millions around the world are so much less certain of the future.

And so am I.

My thoughts, exactly.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I understand this take. I hope over time you would be able to look at the real reasons why people voted for Trump over Harris. The media let you down, they actively lied to the world to try to get Harris elected. The optimism for Harris over the last couple of days was generated by the media and bad polling, it was not reality. The dem party is so far left of where the majority of regular Americans are that we rejected it. Harris flipped flopped on at least 15 issues that went against her life's beliefs, that is not a believable candidate either. Trump and the Americans that voted for Trump are not the "deplorables" you think we are, I hope after Trump gets in office you can objectively see what he is doing and not doing and can see how the media has lied to all of us.

I watched him very closely throughout his first term. This leopard is not going to change his spots.

And I'm afraid I have little sympathy for people who put their material comfort ahead of the very lives and security of millions of their fellows. Although I'm not religious, if I recall, that's not what Jesus said.

 

[Audie]

Biden was determined to continue the same
America uber alles big stick military
intervention everywhere policies that have
made USA feared, resented and distrusted
worldwide.

See Ukraine and the Middle East!

Harris is clumsy, ill informed, inarticulate and
inexperienced. Not particularly bright. And big on more billions to
kill people in Europe and the Middle East.

Among other major issues.

Trump is a flawed guy, but the democrats all
but deliberately handed him top job.
Twice.

Good going, guys.

No wonder we dont trust or respect you.

 

[BrokenBread]

Relax people we got this , you know what's coming with a fury like never before .
Impeachment shots will be fired before the end of the month.
Russian Collusion 2.0 !
Enter Fanny & Nathen to then take Trump down for the final count.
Meanwhile Jackie Smith standing by to put his foot on Trumps neck .
You have seen it before, and it is coming back like never before baby !

 

[Koldo]

The dem party is so far left of where the majority of regular Americans are that we rejected it.

What you are saying then is that the majority of US americans is on the far-right. I can't think of anywhere in the world where the Democratic party would be regarded as anything other than center-left at best (and therefore only slightly leaning to the left).

 

[Alien826]

Prices are up because economic activity is up.

There's more demand for raw materials, so the prices have gone up, which gets passed along as consumer price increases for finished products.

More people are working, so the housing market can bear higher prices.

It sucks when wages don't keep up with inflation, but there are lots of people working now who weren't working during Trump’s first term and lots of people who would have been laid off if things hadn't improved under Biden.

It seems that the largest factor in voting was the "the economy", or rather prices of goods going up and wages not keeping up. The reality is that inflation is now under control, so price rises should slow down to normal figures. The prices aren't going down, so people need wage rises. To get that, their greatest friend is and always has been Trade Unions. So vote for the party that has over the years suppressed Unions and enabled a massive transfer of wealth from the middle class to the very rich. That makes sense. /sarcasm

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

I watched him very closely throughout his first term. This leopard is not going to change his spots.

And I'm afraid I have little sympathy for people who put their material comfort ahead of the very lives and security of millions of their fellows. Although I'm not religious, if I recall, that's not what Jesus said.

I don't care what Jesus said.

Securing the border, low inflation, high employment for minorities, school choice, a more peaceful world etc. are good for the lives of all Americans and myself. It is not about just me, but about my kids future and all Americans that includes myself. Trump delivered these things, Harris did not.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

What you are saying then is that the majority of US americans is on the far-right. I can't think of anywhere in the world where the Democratic party would be regarded as anything other than center-left at best (and therefore only slightly leaning to the left).

It is a certainty that the Democratic Party is a bit to the right of Canada's Conservative Party.

 

[Wandering Monk]

The traditional coalitions are changing. Latinos and 18 to 29 year olds shifted dramatically toward Republicans.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

What you are saying then is that the majority of US americans is on the far-right. I can't think of anywhere in the world where the Democratic party would be regarded as anything other than center-left at best (and therefore only slightly leaning to the left).

This is not true. Conservatives stayed where they were, the progressives moved further left. The left moved to cooky beliefs such as 37 genders, men playing in women's sports, men can have babies, not securing the border, loan forgiveness, giving body mutilating surgeries to children without parental consent, supporting terrorist organizations, abandoning Israel, advocating giving illegal immigrants voting rights, housing and health care over American citizens. We also saw the left threaten free speech rights and parental rights. Regular Americans are not for these cooky ideas and we are tired of being called nasty names because we oppose them. Republicans have become more moderate in some areas, accepting same sex marriage and homosexuality at a higher rate than ever for example and they are more likely to want to fund social programs.

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/pew-research-center-study-shows-that-democrats-have-shifted-to-the-extreme-left/

We don't care what Beyonce, Taylor Swift or the elites think, they don't have to live with the consequences of their ideas. We want to be left alone to live a normal American life and exercise our liberty. The dem party opposes that.

 

[Audie]

Relax people we got this , you know what's coming with a fury like never before .
Impeachment shots will be fired before the end of the month.
Russian Collusion 2.0 !
Enter Fanny & Nathen to then take Trump down for the final count.
Meanwhile Jackie Smith standing by to put his foot on Trumps neck .
You have seen it before, and it is coming back like never before baby !

Such an optimist.

The USA is better than that.

 

[BrokenBread]

Such an optimist.

The USA is better than that.

We are Marists .
Putin has nothing on us when it comes to attacking opponents.
Nothing !

 

[Estro Felino]

I am a socialist. I am sorry for the Socialists in the United States...but they need to take the Democratic Party back.
No more bankers, no more speculators, no more war hawks.

You win by winning people's hearts. The money of the Banks is garbage.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I don't care what Jesus said.

Securing the border, low inflation, high employment for minorities, school choice, a more peaceful world etc. are good for the lives of all Americans and myself. It is not about just me, but about my kids future and all Americans that includes myself. Trump delivered these things, Harris did not.

Inflation IS low -- brought down by the Biden/Harris admin. And you've had it explained to you what caused the rise in inflation in the first place -- money spent to prevent thousands of businesses from going under (and thus turning their employees out), and to prevent the millions who couldn't go to work and their families from starving to death. I can only presume those are of no consequence to you, since you ignore it every single time you're told.

And you've had it explained to you how Trump tariffs will increase inflation, which he doesn't understand any more than you do.

And other people have kids, too. Some of them are gay, or trans, or otherwise "different," who are now in greater danger than they have been in decades. Some of them are girls who may one day make a mistake -- to her great cost.

I am aware you don't see it, but I think you will come to regret this. Or maybe you won't. Doesn't matter, either way -- it's' done.

 

[Audie]

We are Marists .
Putin has nothing on us when it comes to attacking opponents.
Nothing !


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[PureX]

You said he would round up homeless people and deport them. Where did he say that?

He will have to make them go away, somehow. They will be growing visual evidence that he is not helping the economy, nor "Making America Great Again". And since he doesn't care about them as human beings, because they are the "losers". He'll use whatever expedient means that his supporters will accept to be rid of them. Which will be forced labor camps, deportation, and just letting them starve so long as they do it out of sight and at no one else's expense.

You being one of his supporters, just ask yourself what you are willing to accept as a means of getting these homeless scum.

 

[BrokenBread]

He will have to make them go away, somehow. They will be growing visual evidence that he is not helping the economy, nor "Making America Great Again". And since he doesn't care about them as human beings, because they are the "losers". He'll use whatever expedient means that his supporters will accept. Which will be forced labor camps, deportation, and just letting them starve so long as they do it out of sight and at no one else's expense.

The communists are the only ones with a history of enslavement and labor camps .
Biden even boasted proudly the fact:
Joe Biden
August 27, 2006

"You don't know my state. My state was a slave state. My state is a border state. My state has the eighth-largest black population in the country. My state is anything from a northeast liberal state."

—Biden, trying to distance himself from his reputation as a "Northeast liberal" during a swing through the south.

 

[Revoltingest]

Trump's 1st term was marked by lack of accomplishment.
So while there are some major risks of authoritarian &
theocratic developments, I predict the sky will not fall.

 

[Alien826]

This has depressed me greatly.

One thing in particular has opened my eyes. It looks like Trump will win the Popular Vote as well as the Electoral College. Up to now i have been able to comfort myself with the idea that the majority of the country didn't support his ideas. Now I can no longer think that. He is supported (at least for now) by a majority. Another comforting thought has gone with it. That is that his supporters don't really want an authoritarian bully as a leader. They overlook that because they want the changes he promises, or believe that he's not really like that, it's all "fake news". Now I no longer believe that. After this election cycle, nobody has any genuine reason to see Trump other than how he is. Yet a majority still voted for him. I conclude that far from supporting him in spite of his nature, they do so because of it. That's what they want in a leader.

OK, my politics are admittedly far to the left of even the Democratic party. I've never pretended otherwise, and have continued to live here while realizing that I have no right to impose my views on Americans, and anyway, the convenient fictions I set out above have made me feel "it's really not as bad as it seems". My view of the future here has always suggested a continuation of the progressive change that I like. Now everything seems set for a massive regression to old ways. Now my problem is to reconstruct my mental attitude to it all. Ideally, I would return to England, as I'm still a citizen there. But the practical problems associated with that mean I would (will?) have to be very desperate to do so.

So what to do? I'm probably as safe here as most non native born people. By inauguration day if all goes well I will be a US citizen, so they won't be able to kick me out, hopefully. I'm white, retired with a comfortable income, and have a generally low profile. So, keep my head down and ignore what happens to others? But I do care, and feel very uncomfortable not trying to do something about it, politically. On the other hand I will be 84 in January, so perhaps I will die before things get too bad. Lots to think about.