How Bad Will It Get?

[Kathryn]

Maybe when they are done with illegals they will get to legals. After all Trump wanted to kick out Haitians here legally. Probably not, but put it down to my not feeling safe any more in general.

You'll be fine.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Do you know what "set of goods means"?

It was "set of goods and services," and yes, I do know what it means. Do you? And if you are going to measure a "set," it pays to notice if only some members of that set become more expensive while others stay the same, then the set itself is more expensive. And that's inflation.

Notice all of your statements are in the past. Why is Trump going to bring these dangers back?

Because I have no statistics about the future. Did you expect me to?

Because Trump will be appointing to high position cronies who have written Project 2025, and are determined that it shall be the law of the land. I'm aware you don't believe that, but you've fallen for so many of Trump's obvious lies, it surprises me not at all that you've fallen for that, too.

No, but the people you support did.

Tell me, if you can, what have the people you support called others? I mean, just to start with, Vance called Trump a Nazi -- until he saw a way for cozying up to power to gain some for himself. But can you remember all of the things that Trump has called literally hundreds of Americans? How he referred to one woman as "bleeding from her ... whatever" or,,,well, here's a little list you might find amusing about your "hero."

List of nicknames used by Donald Trump - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Subduction Zone]

I was immature to but never did something so stupidly racist at a young age because I grew up with & around other children of every race, played with them , joined sports teams with them, and was working with them at college age.
I'd be willing to bet the audio of this ******* imitating the people he painted himself to look like would be much worse than the optics .

Did he apologize before anyone knew about it, or did he apologize only after he had been exposed ?
The answer to that question will tell you exactly what moral character he is made of .

Oh, he only apologized after he was exposed. Trump on the other hand was exposed and he never apologized for his actions.

What part of that is too hard to understand? Trump was asked recently if he was going to apologize to those people and he still said no. That was years after they were proven to be not guilty. They caught the guilty party using DNA and he confessed as well. He had not connection to those five men. They had confessions beaten out of them by the police. The state ended up paying them millions of dollars for their false conviction and time in prison. Meanwhile it seems that Trump still thinks that they should have been murdered. He is not a sane or moral person.

 

[Koldo]

This has depressed me greatly.

One thing in particular has opened my eyes. It looks like Trump will win the Popular Vote as well as the Electoral College. Up to now i have been able to comfort myself with the idea that the majority of the country didn't support his ideas. Now I can no longer think that. He is supported (at least for now) by a majority. Another comforting thought has gone with it. That is that his supporters don't really want an authoritarian bully as a leader. They overlook that because they want the changes he promises, or believe that he's not really like that, it's all "fake news". Now I no longer believe that. After this election cycle, nobody has any genuine reason to see Trump other than how he is. Yet a majority still voted for him. I conclude that far from supporting him in spite of his nature, they do so because of it. That's what they want in a leader.

Trump is the wet dream of every misogynist and every xenophobic in the US: a man that represents their values and managed to become the republican candidate. Consider all this talk about the borders during the election. It is only a relevant point in a nation with a lot of xenophobes.

OK, my politics are admittedly far to the left of even the Democratic party. I've never pretended otherwise, and have continued to live here while realizing that I have no right to impose my views on Americans, and anyway, the convenient fictions I set out above have made me feel "it's really not as bad as it seems". My view of the future here has always suggested a continuation of the progressive change that I like. Now everything seems set for a massive regression to old ways. Now my problem is to reconstruct my mental attitude to it all. Ideally, I would return to England, as I'm still a citizen there. But the practical problems associated with that mean I would (will?) have to be very desperate to do so.

So what to do? I'm probably as safe here as most non native born people. By inauguration day if all goes well I will be a US citizen, so they won't be able to kick me out, hopefully. I'm white, retired with a comfortable income, and have a generally low profile. So, keep my head down and ignore what happens to others? But I do care, and feel very uncomfortable not trying to do something about it, politically. On the other hand I will be 84 in January, so perhaps I will die before things get too bad. Lots to think about.

84? Really?
I am amazed. I hope that if I ever get to 83 years old, I get to sound like you. For some reason, I thought you were in your fourties.

 

[Argentbear]

Notice all of your statements are in the past. Why is Trump going to bring these dangers back?

Trump has promised that, if reelected, his administration will rescind federal policies that prohibit discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation and gender identity, and will assert that federal civil rights laws don’t cover anti-LGBTQ discrimination. In addition to rolling back existing protections, a second Trump administration will proactively mandate discrimination by the federal government wherever it can.

 

[Secret Chief]

When a clown enters a palace, they do not become a king. The palace becomes a circus.

- Turkish proverb.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

It was "set of goods and services," and yes, I do know what it means. Do you? And if you are going to measure a "set," it pays to notice if only some members of that set become more expensive while others stay the same, then the set itself is more expensive. And that's inflation.

Yes, but what is the set the US uses to determine inflation number? This is what I am talking about.

Because I have no statistics about the future. Did you expect me to?

No, I was not talking about statistics.

Because Trump will be appointing to high position cronies who have written Project 2025, and are determined that it shall be the law of the land. I'm aware you don't believe that, but you've fallen for so many of Trump's obvious lies, it surprises me not at all that you've fallen for that, too.

Ok, you have fallen for this lie.

Tell me, if you can, what have the people you support called others? I mean, just to start with, Vance called Trump a Nazi -- until he saw a way for cozying up to power to gain some for himself. But can you remember all of the things that Trump has called literally hundreds of Americans? How he referred to one woman as "bleeding from her ... whatever" or,,,well, here's a little list you might find amusing about your "hero."

And he was wrong to do it. Is this how you justify the dems calling us names?

List of nicknames used by Donald Trump - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Ok, is this your justification for the left calling us garbage and nazis? I don't like it when Trump does that.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Trump has promised that, if reelected, his administration will rescind federal policies that prohibit discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation and gender identity, and will assert that federal civil rights laws don’t cover anti-LGBTQ discrimination. In addition to rolling back existing protections, a second Trump administration will proactively mandate discrimination by the federal government wherever it can.

Where did he promise this?

 

[Twilight Hue]

life improving for who?

Anybody who's struggling to pay for groceries who's struggling to pay for the roof over their heads and struggling to even try to save up for a nest egg, if at all.

Given the popular vote for Trump , it's not too hard to figure how many people now are in that situation.

 

[Twilight Hue]

One failure was his campaign promise to end the Afghan war.
Instead, he continued it for 4 years. It took Biden to end it.
Your Trump is a warmonger too.

Well we know the result of that. Women are now going to be stoned. Countless equipment just handed right over to the Terrorist regime called the Taliban. How do you like Biden's policies? Think the war has really ended with them?

 

[fantome profane]

Well we know the result of that. Women are now going to be stoned.

Not until Trump gets sworn in. After that who knows.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Not until Trump gets sworn in. After that who knows.

I agree we're all going to have to find out, and I'm hoping we'll have a reasonably unified country at the end.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

And he was wrong to do it. Is this how you justify the dems calling us names?

Ok, is this your justification for the left calling us garbage and nazis? I don't like it when Trump does that.

Stop blaming me for the names other people might have called you. Blame me when I do it, and not before.

And by the way, Vance deliberately and loudly called Harris "Garbage" in his closing speech.

 

[BrokenBread]

Oh, he only apologized after he was exposed. Trump on the other hand was exposed and he never apologized for his actions.

What part of that is too hard to understand? Trump was asked recently if he was going to apologize to those people and he still said no. That was years after they were proven to be not guilty. They caught the guilty party using DNA and he confessed as well. He had not connection to those five men. They had confessions beaten out of them by the police. The state ended up paying them millions of dollars for their false conviction and time in prison. Meanwhile it seems that Trump still thinks that they should have been murdered. He is not a sane or moral person.

And his "exposed" racist quote in connection to this story is what ?

 

[The Sum of Awe]

What I think is going to happen: Tariffs will increase prices for the consumer on all things that come from overseas, Ukraine will fall to Russian hands and a dictatorship will be allowed to snowball into something more powerful, abortion will become federally illegal (with both chambers of Congress red and Trump as president, there's no way it's going to remain at state level).

 

[BrokenBread]

What I think is going to happen: Tariffs will increase prices for the consumer on all things that come from overseas

Our consumer prices have already been increased.
Foreign & domestic by the way.
I confirmed this fact once again today when I went shopping.

 

[Revoltingest]

Well we know the result of that. Women are now going to be stoned.

As bad as that is, it's not USA's job to take
over a country to make life fair there.
It costs taxpayer money & soldier lives.

Countless equipment just handed right over to the Terrorist regime called the Taliban.

Not much loss there.
Hi tech things won't be useful to them because
they've no maintenance resources. They quickly
become useless. The cost of bringing them back
& keeping them serviceable would be high too.

How do you like Biden's policies?

Many of them suck, eg, civil forfeiture.
Note that Trump retained that one when
he was in office, & could've rectified it.

Think the war has really ended with them?

The trillion dollar phase has ended.

Would you really want that war & occupation
to have continued until Afghanistan had a
stable government capable of keeping the
Taliban at bay? For how many years?
Or decades?

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Instead of looking at specific "what will happen" or "what will he do" scenarios, try thinking about the outcome of this election at the 30,000 foot level. If you do that, you will have to ready yourself for profound and unpredictable change.

There's going to be profound political change in the United States; profound political change all around the world. I say this as a Canadian: our bilateral relationship, which is so incredibly powerful and important to us here in Canada, economically and culturally, it's about to shift in dramatic ways. And that's going to happen around the world.

People think, "Well he was President before, so we kind of know what we're going to get." Check that at the door!

He's going to almost certainly control both houses of Congress. He clearly has his thumb on the Supreme Court, and he is now returning to the White House, triumphant and emboldened -- and still the possessor of a colossal ego and need for attention. This is a man who's going to move forward -- he will listen to no one, he will be checked by no influence.

How do you think the rest of the world is going to have to respond to that?

 

[Audie]

So far you haven’t responded to my questions about the facts.
Raising the ante, I‘ve Already vetted you (tRump’s) claims, and found them to be the standard package of self promoting lies he has always lived by.

Defeating ISIS

Abstract This chapter shows that, despite Trump's claims to the contrary, he did not entirely defeat Islamic State, and it was not him or -- rather -- him alone who had achieved the military successes against the group. The campaign consisted of three distinct phases. After some hesitation, Obama made defeating Islamic State a priority, created a plan and structure, and executed a significant part of the military campaign. Trump's "generals" continued implementing this strategy, albeit with the new "rules of engagement" that involved greater risks in return for faster, more decisive operations. Trump's personal involvement was limited to the last phase, in which he declared victory over Islamic State and announced a pull-out of American forces from Syria. In doing so, he contradicted his own administration's policy, alienated allies, strengthened America's adversaries, and emboldened the nearly defeated Islamic State.

As for the Afghanistan withdrawal and timeline set up by tRump, both POTUSs are to blame, as you know. With tRump failing to communicate with the Taliban and the incoming administration, yet leaving the withdrawal date as set (like a time-bomb), while Biden’s military staff executed the withdrawal poorly.
Of course we were loosing troops weekly by keeping them in country. The prompt withdrawal, saved the lives of many more of our soldiers than would have occurred had they stayed.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/30/politics/state-deparment-afghanistan-withdrawal-report/index.html
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-...ghanistan-withdrawal-blames-trump-2023-04-06/

I’m not “pushing political bias”. I am simply presenting my disappointment and sadness at how easily the American public has been duped by this dangerous and traitorous Conman. Your “counter arguments” do stand in nicely as a case in point.. For which I thank you.

So; do try to own up for tRump’s false claims, and answer my original questions of you.
If you believe that mine are also wanting, then answer them and cite your evidence to support your argument. Simple….if they’re based in reality.


He has withdrawn our forces from the Middle East. No other military actions have been taken. ?”Big stick”?

There is zero evidence to support your ad hominem attacks, and abundant evidence to the contrary.
As for supporting the Ukrainian fight against the warlord known as Putin…. Of course. What else would you reccomend?

The Republicans handed him both elections. Built primarily on an apologetic right-wing-biased media, and tRump’s own rankings for division, hatred, fear, and threats of violence.
How you , @Kenny , and others see reality differently is both puzzling and very disturbing.

Trump made the border less secure while wasting billions of dollars, and time.
Inflation and the US economy, as usual, were handed to a Dem POTUS as the markets burned to ash, and that Dem saved us all. Any other outlook is impatient and short-sighted. Of course tRump will claim responsibility for Biden’s achievements not just in January, but even now. And his worshipper will think it’s true.


You forgot the Clintons selling children as sex slaves and immortality cannibal food out of a pizza shop basement.
NOTHING that you listed is true. Wow! Just, wow.

You should try reading the Pew report yourself, rather than having an editorial piece from Investors.com interpreting it for you. Pew does good work, but they just present the facts. Like….how people of each party are accepting homosexuality as part of human life. It’s just that Dems have more rapidly adjusted to the reality at hand, while Republicans, while have not adapted as well to reality.
The editorial is basically (purposefully)misreading the Pew report like this….
”In 1994 92% of Dems think it’s a bad idea to shoot yourself in the foot, while 37% of Repubs think that’s true. Now in 2017 100% of Dems think shooting oneself in the foot is bad news, while 40% of Republicans agree with that.” “So clearly the Dems are swinging more than TWICE as far from the more centrist Republicans yet again!” “Those crazy moon-bat Lefties!”



If you want bias OUT OF your news, then read the facts yourself.


You have obviously not been following the news.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/13/politics/trump-military-enemy-from-within-election-day/index.html

Good reminder of how glad I am not to be an American.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Good reminder of how glad I am not to be an American.

You're luckier than me -- I'm not an American, but on a clear day I can see the place across the lake. And because we're so closely linked, we'll be the most impacted by whatever happens going forward.