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How can a Jew reject Jesus as the Messiah?

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Skywalker

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blü 2 said:
No, in the bible, Yahweh is God, and Jesus is not.

Paul says the Father is God and Jesus is "Lord", a subordinate title. The Jesuses of Mark, Matthew, Luke and John each expressly deny that they're God, and never once claim to be God. For example ─

Paul, I Corinthians 15:6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.​

Mark 12:29 Jesus answered, “The first is, ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one; [...] 32 And the scribe said to him, “You are right, Teacher; you have truly said that he is one, and there is no other but he.

Matthew 20:23 He said to them, “You will drink my cup, but to sit at my right hand and at my left is not mine to grant, but it is for those for whom it has been prepared by my Father.”

Matthew 24:36 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only.”

Luke 18:18 And a ruler asked him, “Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” 19 And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone.”

John 6:38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of him who sent me ...

John 17:3 “And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.”

John 20:17 J[...] go to my brethren and say to them, I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.”​

And there are more where they came from.

Jesus does not become God ie an element of the Trinity, until the 4th century CE, when the Trinity doctrine is proposed because of the demand of church members that Jesus be elevated to God status (despite his denials).
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Jesus being called Lord in 1 Corinthians 15:6 is a title of Jesus being God. Paul was talking about God the Father, and the Lord, God the Son. People use the term the Lord to refer to Jesus.

Jesus was talking to the Pharisees about polytheism being false doctrine.

Jesus wasn't denying being the Son of God when he said my Father.

The plurality within the Trinity had different knowledge about the second coming of Jesus.

Jesus was asking the ruler why he called him good if the term good has a lot of implications. He was actually implying that He was God.

The wills of the Father and the Son were in alignment because they were of the same essence.

The Father sent the Son implies submission within the Godhead, not that the Son isn't God.

Jesus said my God and your God because he was also in his humanity, and he was speaking on the same level as them.
 
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Skywalker

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metis said:
Actually it was a common name back then in Hebrew, including that of a prophet.
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The name of Jesus means salvation. Hebrew Roots Movement Attacks The Name Of Jesus

Hebrew Roots Movement Attacks the Name of Jesus!

Isaiah 52:6, “Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I.”

An exposé on the Hebrew Roots / Sacred Name Movement

His Name is Wonderful!! ... Or is it?

Have you found eternal salvation through the lovely name of our Lord Jesus Christ? Have you found true deliverance from your old sinful past, the world and it's pleasures, in this most precious name? What about the reality of the peace of God, and the assurance nothing can separate us from the love of God? Have you seen lives changed, miracles wrought, families restored, and others responding towards God, at the preaching of this Name above every other name?

What if someone came along and said this Name you have been saved and set free by is not the correct name at all but a misnomer? What if someone came along and said the wonderful name of your Saviour was a corrupt Greek name, derived from a false god called Zeus? How would you react? What would you response be?

Beware!!! This is exactly what is happening in some spheres of Christendom today, through sources of the Hebrew Roots / Messianic / Sacred Name Movement, as it "validates" itself into the Body of Christ.


Why And how?

Titus 1:14, “Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.”

Fact: The Old testament was written in Hebrew for the chosen Jewish Nation. The New Testament was written in Greek where the partition between Jew's and Gentiles was broken down so we could all become one new man in Christ.

Back in the early eighties not long after we left the established church, Don Stanton of Maranatha Revival Crusade was a dear brother in Christ we came to respect and receive much encouragement from, even sharing in our home and supplying much of our literature for witnessing and growth. After being such a blessing to my wife and myself, along with our friends, I became very alarmed when his ministry took a turn towards Judaism when he switched to substituting and teaching Hebraic names for many important biblical names, along with a passion for following Jewish feasts and customs as part of our Christian faith. He even re-wrote the Bible replacing our Saviour's name with Hebraic equivalents and today is entrenched in something our Lord Jesus came to set us free from.

This following three part article is written in response to this tragedy, along with the many people who have e-mailed me in recent months, trying to persuade myself over to the Hebrew Roots Camp. Generally I have found these people to be varied in their opinions in regards to doctrine; some moderate (scripturally still believing in the Trinity) and others into complete heresy omitting the name Jesus Christ entirely from their faith.

The sincere majority of these people have used the gentle diplomatic approach in their argument to win us across, whereas a few others have been aggressive, and down-right rude and even abusive, when we wouldn't skip to their tune. On all occasions have I found them very persistent, rabbinic centered, and usually attacking the holy name of our Lord Jesus Christ one way or another.

An in-depth study will prove the teachers who are fanatically entrenched into this movement are deliberately discrediting, tainting, and replacing the precious name of our Saviour, and attempting to lead bible believing Christians out of Christianity.


From another name to occultic leanings:

Part One of this address is a simplified way of exposing their Hebrew Roots Movement and how believers have been seduced away from the New Testament written in Greek (the universal language of the day) and providentially translated into English (the universal language for the closing hours), with the sole purpose of restoring these folk back to the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

This is followed-up by Part Two revealing the authentic root of our faith and dealing with the false roots of the HRM.

Unlike it's Gentile counterpart the Alexandrian School of Thought, which throws doubt on finding the right source of the Greek, giving it's Scholars the final authority in interpretation, the H.R. Movement has been successful in discrediting the Greek New Testament and replacing it with the so-called Hebrew / Aramaic "originals". This places the final authority in regards to interpreting scripture in the hands of it's rabbinic teachers. Once achieved, then the Holy Name of our Lord Jesus Christ comes under scrutiny.

Part Three by Barb Aho, is more of an in-depth study exposing the sources and occultic connections to this Movement, which is no doubt part of the Great Falling Away delusion in this final hour, even more subtle and dangerous than the false Signs and Wonders Movement, the Word of Faith Movement, and Dominion Theology.

However, we need to make it quite clear from the start this does not mean we lump into one all advocates of the HR Movement as deliberately being into, or promoting the occult. What we are doing is exposing the teaching links to these sources which are deliberately leading believers away from our true root ... Christ Jesus our Lord; replacing His name, and depriving others from the only name whereby man can be saved.


Part One ... The pure Name

Pure language for a pure name:

During the last hours of these last days (when English would be the universal language of the world) the Lord in His manifold wisdom has chosen this language to represent His Word, to be written as the plain, simple, uncloistered and easily comprehended words of His gospel to the world at all levels of class and culture. God foresaw this language would be the 'world language' in the closing hours, presenting His pure, preserved and inerrant autograph with the message ... whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Zephaniah 3:9, “For then will I turn to the people a pure language that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve him with one consent.”


Why Elizabethan period English:

The above scripture was prophesying a day after the Dark Ages when the Lord would choose One Book, based on a pure language, so the world's masses would have access to God's word proclaiming there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved, where both people (Jew or Gentile) could serve the living God as one.

This revelation was preserved through the transition of the universal language from Greek to English. It occurred when the Authorized Bible was written and made public property, when English as a secular and non-religious language was established in it's purest form, just before the Great British Empire was established, when English would be set to become the universal language of the world, prior to Jesus' second coming:


"Secular and non-religious language"

Linguistic expert ... the Kim Hill Show, Radio N.Z, 11:15 am, 2/2/99:

As many languages are dying in the world ("a language is dying somewhere every day") English is disseminating into the international common denominator as the world goes global.

It would be hard for God to use some languages as many are religious, and are not compatible with biblical Christianity. Meaning, "to know a particular language you have to be part of the "household", speaking the culture", interwoven with their pagan belief system. This is why it would be necessary for God to set one universal standard in an hour when confusion and apostasy would be prevalent on a worldwide scale:


  • English as the International Language:

    "In this role of global language, English becomes one of the most important professional qualifications.
    English is unquestionably recognized as the most important language to be learned in the prevailing international community. This is an unchallenged fact that seems to be irreversible. English has become
    the business and scientific worlds' official language."

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blü 2

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Redemptionsong said:
As I understand the scriptures, the Son of Man was due to establish the Kingdom on earth, unambiguously, and it was THAT generation of Jacob (the nation) that rejected Jesus. So, when the Son of Man returns to establish the Kingdom on earth, it will be with the same generation. The time between the two appearances of Christ, the Church Age, is not counted in the 70 weeks of covenant between God and Israel. One more week of covenant has yet to be fulfilled.
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Why would the establishment of the Kingdom require the earthlings to accept or reject anything? The Kingdom was to be imposed, despite the Romans, despite the Jewish hierarchy, despite what the average citizen might think, and represent the triumph of Jesus' followers, surely?

To the best of my recollection the prayer "thy kingdom come" doesn't mention a plebiscite, or the concerns of the Olympian religions, the Zoroastrians, or the Hindus, or Buddhists, or followers of the Great Spirit or the Rainbow Serpent, does it?
 
blü 2

blü 2

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rosends said:
No, Jesus was not a Hebrew name.
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The name "Jesus" is from the Romanized form "Iesus" from New Testament Greek "Ἰησοῦς" (Iēsous) to render Aramaic "Yeshua" from Hebrew Yehoshua (usually Anglicized as "Joshua"). Contemporary tombs tell us it was a common name in 1st-century Judea.
 
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