Jesus was called Yeshua because he saved his people from their sins. Matthew 1:21 KJV: And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
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How can a Jew reject Jesus as the Messiah?
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Jesus was called Yeshua because he saved his people from their sins. Matthew 1:21 KJV: And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Why would Jesus be named God saves if he was a junior deity or a mere man?
No prophet back then was named "God saves".
Kelly of the Phoenix
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Then Jesus can’t save you or me because he sinned quite often.
No, the text explicitly says that there is ONE God, and that's the Father, and one Lord, who's someone else, namely Jesus. The distinction is unambiguous.
It was a common title, like sir in English,which is from French sieur, 'lord'. Or French monsieur, 'my lord'. Or German Herr, again 'Lord'. Or Latin 'dominus', 'master, lord'.
That's just you wishing the words said what you want them to say, instead of what they clearly say.
It's a form of wilful illiteracy, and a damaging thing for anyone to do who's trying to find out what's true. Instead, it involves inventing stuff to bolster what one wants to believe, which is a bit sad, really.
When did Jesus sin? The situation where he ran away from his parents wasn't a situation where he outright ran away-he was mingling with the religious teachers in the temple and it was in his humanity.
Why would an angel or a prophet or a teacher be called Lord? There is one God is a reference to the authority of God the Father over Jesus and the Holy Spirit.
I can give other interpretations the benefit of the doubt, but even at that it still shows that there are other just as equally likely possibilities for the meanings of those Bible verses about Jesus.
Learn some history, for a start. It's not as if I'm saying anything new. Nor are Paul's words ambiguous ─ on the one hand there's God, and on the other hand, there's Lord Jesus.
There is no doubt. I gave you a sampling of the many quotes where the Jesuses of Paul, Mark, Matthew, Luke and John each deny they're God. There is not a single example of Jesus saying "I am God". If Jesus was nonetheless God then his entire ministry was one of lies and deceit ─ is that your claim?
Paul was talking about the submission of God the Son to God the Father, within the plurality in the Trinity.
If Jesus said I am God it would be vain and boastful and he would sound like the guy in Siberia who claimed to be Jesus. Sometimes when speaking the truth you have to be simple and subtle. Jesus not outright saying he was God is different from lies and deceit-it is being subtle.
Shadow Wolf
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To answer as a former Evangelical, their views are harshly anti-Semitic. Of course they put on this facade of being pro-Israel and pro-Jew, but, as you've seen here, it's just not genuine as they also believe they completed your religion, they have the promised messiah, and that Jews are basically delusional for denying it.
But they'll won't accept their views are anti-semitic as that would mean they have a problem with gods people, amd Evangelicals are deathly afraid of deliberately going against god. Because (this is according to them) going against god is what the Jews do, and just loom at how god punished them throughout the Bible for their disobedience. In the more extreme forms that I learned this percieved punishment over disobedience extents to the Holocaust. Because they're Jews, and disobeying god is what the Jews do according to the Bible.
Kelly of the Phoenix
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I’m not Jewish. I’m “post-Christian “. Y’all have spent page after page not only rehashing (rhymes with panties fantastic), but refusing to accept Jewish perspectives. Not one of their criticisms of Christianity is baseless.
Redemptionsong
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The Kingdom of God is not imposed. God knew that his Son would be killed and rejected, but it was still necessary to make known the Anointed One, and for the faithful few to take the message to the wider world.
The nation is, I believe, given one last chance.
rosends
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Joshua who succeeded Moses was, indeed, a prophet.
also 2 Kings 23:8 has a city prefect named Joshua
and Joshua the son of Yehotzadak the high priest, mentioned often in the books of Chaggai and Zechariah.
Joshua's name was not Yehoshua. The Bible describes the names of Jesus and Joshua with different words.
rosends
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You are confused. Yehoshua is the Hebrew for the English name Joshua. The prophet who came after Moses was Yehoshua. The high priest, the son of Yehotzadak was Yehoshua. You can feel free to say that Jesus wasn't named Yehoshua if you want, but you can't change the name of people in the text.
RabbiO
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In the case of the particular website the poster has been citing to, there are a slew of articles attacking the Talmud as evil, labeling Judaism as satanic, ripping Kabbalah, and treating Zionism with disgust. This goes far beyond the more common attitude of seeing Jews as spiritually blind, spiritually stupid, and spiritually ignorant.
To be fair, if one looks at the website one realizes it is a hate filled screed against Catholics, Muslims, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, Hindus, Buddhists, and a whole slew of other things.
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Meaning the prophet Joshua in the book of Joshua, or the prophet like unto Moses? A Prophet Like Unto Moses
rosends
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The prophet in the book of Yehoshua (and before that, and also mentioned in Chronicles).
Shadow Wolf
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I think that's the number one past time of Evangelicals. Everyone who isn't like them is wrong and going to hell. Especially other Christians. They spend a lot if time nitpicking why those other denominations are wrong and thus Jesus will cast them away from the Kingdom.
No. He wasn't.
There is no Trinity mentioned anywhere in the NT. The Trinity doctrine wasn't invented till the 4th century.
Please stop making things up. (There's a rude expression for that which is perhaps more appropriate in the circumstances, but I'll refrain from using it.) And read and understand what the text actually says. In the real world it does NOT say whatever you want it to say.
So, you say, he was instead a relentless deceiver and liar throughout his mission on earth. An interesting view.
What else do you say he deceived everyone about?
And on the cross he said "Me, me, why have I forsaken me", right?