How can people maintain sanity by applying shamelessly double standards

[Estro Felino]

Sorry, I'm still not understanding? It seems like what you're saying is that you think the Ukrainians should just surrender and give Ukraine to Putin?

No...just four regions.

We Italians too surrendered to the Allies in '43 and gave away many territories. We have moved on.

 

[icehorse]

No...just four regions.

We Italians too surrendered to the Allies in '43 and gave away many territories. We have moved on.

Okay, maybe I'm starting to understand your position. So let's say Ukraine gave these four regions to Putin. Do you think Putin would be happy at that point and stop trying to grab land in Eastern Europe?

 

[Estro Felino]

Okay, maybe I'm starting to understand your position. So let's say Ukraine gave these four regions to Putin. Do you think Putin would be happy at that point and stop trying to grab land in Eastern Europe?

Yes, because these territorial disputes are exclusively based upon linguistic reasons.

Do you know other lands in Eastern Europe where Russian is spoken?

 

[icehorse]

Yes, because these territorial disputes are exclusively based upon linguistic reasons.

Do you know other lands in Eastern Europe where Russian is spoken?

Okay, i think I understand your position. One thing I learned from Obama was that it's important to understand another person's idea before disagreeing with it (Seems like we'd all be better off if we did that.)

Now that I think I understand your position, I feel comfortable disagreeing with it. I think Putin will not stop with these four regions. He will continue to attack throughout eastern Europe, and he will come up with whatever excuses suit him.

 

[Estro Felino]

Okay, i think I understand your position. One thing I learned from Obama was that it's important to understand another person's idea before disagreeing with it (Seems like we'd all be better off if we did that.)

Interesting.

Now that I think I understand your position, I feel comfortable disagreeing with it. I think Putin will not stop with these four regions. He will continue to attack throughout eastern Europe, and he will come up with whatever excuses suit him.

With all due respect.
But I am an European...I speak five European languages, three of which fluently. I also can read and understand basic Russian.
I do know that in the US there is a Russophobic propaganda that means to depict Russia as a power that wants to conquer Europe.

But that's a lie. It was Nazis who wanted to conquer Russia. Not the other way around.

 

[Father Heathen]

As soon as Trump becomes president, the Ukrainian war will end.

This will show to the world that it was the dems that were paying Ukrainians to do anything to let this war continue.

The civilized world has been supporting the defense of the Ukrainian people. All they'll see is Trump helping a despot and war criminal steal land.

 

[Father Heathen]

The dems couldn't care less about the people.
They just want the war.

So to them war meant more than the victory in the presidential race.

Did those who fought against Hilter "just want war"?

 

[Estro Felino]

The civilized world has been supporting the defense of the Ukrainian people. All they'll see is Trump helping a despot and war criminal steal land.

It will happen in Europe.

Do you really care what happens in Europe?

 

[Godobeyer]

You're currently applying a double standard.
Because I have always defended the war on terrorism that means to obliterate the Israeli nation based upon religious fanaticism (and not territorial disputes, when it deals with religious dogmas, it deals with madness, irrationality).

You defending for Israel against Palestinians?
Sorry this sounds standard.
Palestinians was there until Jews decided to leave Europe running from holocaust.
They welcome.
UK didn't occupied Israel.
UK occupied Palestin, then gave Palestinians land to Jews.

 

[Estro Felino]

You defending for Israel against Palestinians?
Sorry this sounds standard.
Palestinians was there until Jews decided to leave Europe running from holocaust.
They welcome.
UK didn't occupied Israel.
UK occupied Palestin, then gave Palestinians land to Jews.

After WW2 there have been many displacements and people were transferred from one country to one another.

It's time to move on and to build peaceful coexistence between nations. But war cannot solve territorial disputes. Only diplomacy can.

 

[GoodAttention]

You defending for Israel against Palestinians?
Sorry this sounds standard.
Palestinians was there until Jews decided to leave Europe running from holocaust.
They welcome.
UK didn't occupied Israel.
UK occupied Palestin, then gave Palestinians land to Jews.

Should be end of the story.

But no, 75 years later and what?

Still no Palestine.

 

[Father Heathen]

No...just four regions.

We Italians too surrendered to the Allies in '43 and gave away many territories. We have moved on.

Irrelevant. Italy wasn't innocent, nor was it defending itself from an unprovoked invasion. It was complicit in genocide.

 

[Godobeyer]

Should be end of the story.

I believe this war won't end.
This land is not blessed land, it's become war land because Israel leaded by racist regime.

But no, 75 years later and what?

Until USA and the world, realize that feed a monsters called Israel. Decided to establish real justice peace.

Still no Palestine.

Because the Boss of this world "USA" follow Israel wishes. don't want Palestine.
Rest of the world want Palestine.

 

[GoodAttention]

I believe this war won't end.
This land is not blessed land, it's become war land because Israel leaded by racist regime.

Until USA and the world, realize that feed a monsters called Israel. Decided to establish real justice peace.


Because the Boss of this world "USA" follow Israel wishes. don't want Palestine.
Rest of the world want Palestine.

What do Palestinians want?

 

[Koldo]

You didn't understand the point at all.
We have ascertained that both wars are wrong.

But whereas you seem to care about Gazan's lives, and so you want the Gazan war to end to prevent more Gazans from dying, you seem not to give a damn (pardonnez-moi, pour le français) about Ukrainians risking their lives and dying in the thousands just because of an intransigent and merciless government in Kiev.

You do apply two different values on two different ethnic groups.

If both Israel and Russia forces go back to their countries and cease all hostilities, the civilians won't keep dying. I support both of those scenarios happening. Where is the hypocrisy?

 

[Estro Felino]

Irrelevant. Italy wasn't innocent, nor was it defending itself from an unprovoked invasion. It was complicit in genocide.

Ukraine is not innocent either.
It murdered the Donbas separatists.

 

[GoodAttention]

Ukraine is not innocent either.
It murdered the Donbas separatists.

Separatism is a crime and the punishment was death.

 

[Estro Felino]

Separatism is a crime and the punishment was death.

In Italy there are many separatists.

South Tyrol, Sardinia.
We respect them.

 

[GoodAttention]

In Italy there are many separatists.

South Tyrol, Sardinia.
We respect them.

If you respect them let them separate?

 

[Estro Felino]

If you respect them let them separate?

Yes, I am for that.