Alceste
Vagabond
Well thank you for proving my point. The only person in this thread who seems to think men are brutes and pigs who are unable to control their violent inclinations happens to be a Muslim man. Not a feminist.
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How can someone be a male and be a feminist at the same time?
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Well thank you for proving my point. The only person in this thread who seems to think men are brutes and pigs who are unable to control their violent inclinations happens to be a Muslim man. Not a feminist.
I didn't say anything about shrugging our shoulders and accepting it. What I DID say however, is that women should take precautions in South Africa. I hope you're not disagreeing with me. Only a vile misogynist would argue that women shouldn't take precautions under a climate of misogynistic violence and intimidation.
Well, you claimed it is ok for women to be unprotected against violent rapists, you don't see anything wrong with the nature and brutality of rape, I find this uncomfortable.
Maybe some do. I don't know. You claim to know so the burden of proof is on you. You must prove to me that all rapists do not rape because they feel horny. Off you go.
Alceste
Vagabond
Please quote the post where I made this claim.
I can speak as a man who has a disorder that causes him to have very poor impulse control
. Sexual desire can be very hard to control. Yet I have never had to control myself to not rape. That person in South Africa or Argentina, or in my own country for that matter, that rapes a girl can control their desires. They choose not to.
Alceste
Vagabond
Tragically for you, this is not the point we are debating. We are debating whether feminists believe men are violent brutes who cannot control their behavior. This side debate is over whether it is a belief that is found more often in Muslim men on RF than feminists on RF. Your own posts are all the proof we need of this observation.
You need to prove to me that men are slaves to their desires
. Seriously, is it that hard to understand that someones attitude towards women affects their actions?
People shouldn't be obligated to worry about others not being able to control their desires, and that's certainly not an excuse or justification to force women to live in fear and be on the watch for men who "can't control their desires." They can; everyone can. They just don't, and it's their problem.
Do you believe that we shouldn't carry money at all because some people "can't" control their desire for money and therefore would steal it if we carried it, or do you think that people should be able to carry money without having to worry about thieves being around every corner?
uberrobonomicon4000
Active Member
I was referring to man-hater as being a dumb word. Not misandry.
Misandry exists, has existed and is a problem. Its 2013 and people still make idiotic comments like that which are nothing more than a bunch of sexist (hypocritical) remarks. Evidently people who do make such comments have some serious problems or issues and its obvious the problem isnt me.
It also seems to be common practice for some people. Even if its a joke, which Im sure most are not, I dont find it funny or amusing. Some people just have their head stuck so far in the gutter it isnt possible for them to get it out. So we might as well just leave them there to talk too themselves.
A bit rich, considering your own baseless accusation
Can you prove that? Perhaps they have a disorder? Perhaps they feel overwhelmed by their need for sexual fulfillment so they feel they have to satisfy themselves violently in order to move on in life? I don't know. You're making the claims, give me the proof.I can speak as a man who has a disorder that causes him to have very poor impulse control
Mathematician
Reason, and reason again
RF in general is a pretty open-minded group. Just like how all the anti-feminists or non-feminists that participate in the discussion aren't misogynists even though you can find websites that champion male superiority. Or, if you want to pull from alternative discussions, we have virtually no anti-Zionists on RF that are also anti-semites.
That doesn't negate the fact there are misogynists, anti-semites, and yes, misandrists.
In certain Muslim and African countries where patriarchy clear does exist and it is brutal towards women, that society is completely eroded due to warped power structures in general - usually through war and international sabotage. The cultural influence seeps out in small subcultures but it is not in any shape or form a significant sentiment in the United States, Canada, Australia, NZ, Singapore, Ireland, or Britain.
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Tragically for you, somebody made a baseless comment on RF forums and I have asked them for evidence, evidence that I am still waiting for. Alas, such is the nature of debate.
Your own posts are proof that you think rape violent rape in South Africa is fine. See how baseless argumentation works? I can do it too dear.
No, you need to prove your claim; that all rapists don't rape due to being horny. You made the claim, so you back it up. You've talked the talk, now walk the walkYou need to prove to me that men are slaves to their desires
No, you need to prove your claim; that all rapists don't rape due to being horny. You made the claim, so you back it up. You've talked the talk, now walk the walk
I'm pretty sure most healthy males have sexual desires too, but you don't see them go out and commit rape because of it. Obviously there are other factors involved in rape that have nothing to do with being "horny."
I don't know what you're referring to. Are you also claiming that all rapists don't rape due to being horny? If that's the case, then you need to bring evidence.
Are you claiming that women in South Africa shouldn't take precautions despite living in a climate of misogynistic violence and intimidation? If so, I do worry to say the least.
I spotted at least one strawman argument in your post; the suggestion that I think that women should be forced to live in fear and intimidation. Please refrain from baseless insinuations. Let's not make this debate more childish than it need be.
Again, strawman alert. Please refer to my argument, not a made-up argument. The user explicitly claimed that nobody rapes due to being horny. They need to back that up.
1) I've addressed this here.
2) No, that's not what I'm claiming. I'm claiming that they shouldn't have to take precautions and feel the need to constantly worry about getting sexually assaulted, because there are ways to deal with criminals without burdening people with taking precautions that would normally be unnecessary.
3) If you're arguing that they must take precautions because of men who "can't control their desires," then that's what your argument seems to imply. How does arguing that they should constantly be on the watch for rapists not imply living in fear and intimidation?
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Most males experience being "horny" at one point or another. Why don't most males commit rape despite experiencing the same urges that supposedly drive a rapist to sexually assault women?
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