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How can the Jew reject, Jesus, Muhammad, Bab and Baha'u'llah?

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Skywalker

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Trailblazer said:
I believe that both titles refer to a Manifestation of God, not to God.
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Jesus being the Son of God doesn't mean that Jesus is not God. Is Christianity Polytheistic?

Monotheism
The original religion of ancient mankind was monotheism, i.e., the worship of the one, true Supreme Being. This is demonstrated both by the testimony of the Bible and by a study of anthropology. (We have introduced testimony for the anthropological evidence of man’s original monotheism in our little book, Biblical Studies in the Light of Archaeology, pp. 5-6.)

Genesis 1 begins with the affirmation that “God created the heavens and the earth.” The term “God” in the Hebrew Bible is Elohim.

In his famous work, Synonyms of the Old Testament (1871), Robert Girdlestone noted that Elohim is found some 2,555 times in the Old Testament. In 2,310 of these cases the title refers to the true God, while in the remaining 245 instances the word is employed in a variety of “lower senses” (2000, 31).

Elohim is a plural term. Various explanations have been offered for this plurality. For example, some have suggested that the word is designed to reflect the plenitude of divine majesty (i.e., the vast array of sacred qualities incapable of being expressed by a term of singularity).
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IndigoChild5559

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Skywalker said:
The term Son of God doesn't mean that God had a baby.
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It means that a person or group is very close to God, close like a son is close. For example, God calls Israel his first born son.

The problem with the claim about Jesus is that it includes the claim about the holy spirit inseminating Mary. That DOES mean that God had a baby, which is insulting to God. It puts him on the same level as pagan deities.
 
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Skywalker

Well-Known Member
IndigoChild5559 said:
It means that a person or group is very close to God, close like a son is close. For example, God calls Israel his first born son.

The problem with the claim about Jesus is that it includes the claim about the holy spirit inseminating Mary. That DOES mean that God had a baby, which is insulting to God. It puts him on the same level as pagan deities.
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The term Son of God is a reference to the Sonship of Jesus within the Trinity, not to the virgin birth. Jesus as the Son of God

Others in addition to God Himself, His angel, and the Roman soldier proclaimed that Jesus is the Son of God. Madmen and even unclean spirits confessed to Jesus: "You are the Son of God." (Mark 3:11; cf. 5:7; Matthew 8:29; Luke 4:41; 8:28) . Jesus' disciples also confessed that He is "the Christ (Messiah), the Son of the living God" (Matthew 16:16; cf. 14:33). Jesus, as a true Son, preferred to give glory to His Father, but He too would not deny His Sonship (Matthew 26:63f.; Mark 14:62; John 10:36). Of interest in the first two of these passages (and others) is the close association between the terms "Messiah" and "Son of God".

It is also interesting to note how closely Jesus' Sonship is associated with His suffering (Romans 5:10; 8:32; Galatians 2:20; Hebrews 5:8; 6:6) . When Jesus was famished after a long fast, the tempter said to Him: "If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread" (Matthew 4:3, etc.). When Jesus was in agony on the cross, the passersby mocked Him and said: "Come down from the cross, if you are the Son of God!" (Matthew 27:40). These speakers forgot that Jesus is the Son of God. God, who seeks and serves and even suffers to save those whom He loves, the people of the world. He is not the son of some earthly king, who must show his might and save his pride by appearing to be victorious in the eyes of the world, according to the world's standards. It was just because He is the Son of the God of love that He would not use His power for selfish purposes but perfectly fulfilled the will of His Father, who chose to reveal Himself and His love to all men through His suffering Servant/Son.
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Skywalker

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Trailblazer said:
I know that. It means what IndigoChild5559 said: It means that a person or group is very close to God, close like a son is close.
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There are others meanings of son of God besides that. A believer is a son or daughter or God but they are not the Son of God. Jesus as the Son of God

Biblical Meaning of "Son of God"

The term "son of God" too is used in a variety of ways in the Holy Bible. As creator, God is the "Father" of Adam and of all mankind (Luke 3:38; Isaiah 64:8; Malachi 2:10; etc.). However, a more specific "Father-son" relationship is achieved by the gracious choice of the Father and the faithful obedience and service of the son, not by creation and certainly not by procreation. In this sense, the following are some of those referred to as "son(s) of God" in the Bible:

1. The people chosen by God (Exodus 4:22f.; Jeremiah 31:9,20; Hosea 11:1; Romans 8:14; II Corinthians 6:18; Galatians 3:26; Hebrews 2:10; Revelation 21:7)

2. Heavenly beings (Job 1:6)

3. Kings and rulers (II Samuel 7:14; Psalm 2:7; 82:6; 89:26f.)

4. Pious, godly individuals (Matthew 5:9; Luke 6:35)
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The expression the Son of God refers tot the Sonship of Christ.
 
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Skywalker

Well-Known Member
Trailblazer said:
I know that. It means what IndigoChild5559 said: It means that a person or group is very close to God, close like a son is close.
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Jesus accepting worship showed that he is God. Six Reasons Jesus Is God

5) Jesus Christ Received Worship:
  • Jesus received worship (Matt.14:33; 28:9; John 9:38; Phil. 2:10; Heb. 1:6) - even though He taught that only God is to be worshiped (Matt. 4:10). Scripture also records that both holy men (Acts 10:25-26) and holy angels (Rev. 22:8-9) refused worship.
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TransmutingSoul

TransmutingSoul

One Planet, One People, Please!
Premium Member
Skywalker said:
Jesus accepting worship showed that he is God. Six Reasons Jesus Is God
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I see no point in discussing, I see this passage is a prophecy;

Mathew 15:14

"Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch".

Pages of pointless discussion can not change that advice, no matter what side of the fence one stands on.

Regards Tony
 
CG Didymus

CG Didymus

Veteran Member
Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
I see no point in discussing, I see this passage is a prophecy;

Mathew 15:14

"Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch".

Pages of pointless discussion can not change that advice, no matter what side of the fence one stands on.

Regards Tony
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Before this thread vanishes, did we learn any acceptable and reasonable reasons why Jews can reject Jesus, Muhammad, the Bab and Baha'u'llah?
 
TransmutingSoul

TransmutingSoul

One Planet, One People, Please!
Premium Member
CG Didymus said:
Before this thread vanishes, did we learn any acceptable and reasonable reasons why Jews can reject Jesus, Muhammad, the Bab and Baha'u'llah?
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Yes CG, it is their own free will choice.

I wish for You, Me and All people the best of choices.

Regards Tony
 
TransmutingSoul

TransmutingSoul

One Planet, One People, Please!
Premium Member
Skywalker said:
How can one believe that and reject Jesus saying he was God?
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As all I have to do is read sripture given by Jesus.

John 1:18 "No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him"

1 John 4:12 "No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us."

Exodus 33:20 "But He said, “You cannot see My face, for no man can see Me and live!”

Such is the quandary we face.

Now we know we do not see God but the Messenger, who is the Representitive, or Self of God amongst us and we can listen to what Jesus offered

John 5:37 "And the Father who sent Me, He has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time nor seen His form."

So the Father will be another Messenger, who we will see His Form and Hear His voice, which is not seeing or hearing God in Essence.

God does not have a mouth.

I this verse Exodus 3:6 we can now consider a lot more, the verse says; "He said also, “I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.” Then Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look at God..." Baha'u'llah has offered that it was He that was talking to Moses through the burning Bush.

Regards Tony
 
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