How Can We Identify True Worship?

[savagewind]

There are few people I think that can handle ignored like I am so far handling it.

It is obviously a twisted version of scripture to place anyone in the position to be trusted with lives but not any lives but the lives of all who seek Jehovah.

Our Jehovah's Witness friend says that he is very confident that the governing body shall straighten out whatever is wrong about them. Do you think they will ever get down from their high-horse? If they admit that they never were placed by Jesus, I mean Jehovah, to lead the people to their salvation would most JWs adapt and stay with them, do you think? Would you @Deeje?

 

[savagewind]

Another twist in scripture that the Jehovah's Witnesses promote.

They say Jesus commanded the making of disciples. Why does Jehovah need people to do that?

 

[savagewind]

Another twist they depend on.

They say that after the apostles died a great apostasy began but they also believe that the Bible is just as it should be and was not changed in any significant way by the Great Apostasy.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

BTW, since Jesus does have "all authority" then, how important is it to obey Him in loving your brothers and your enemies? Or does obedience only go 'so far'?
With Christendom, I guess there is a limit. Nationalism takes precedence, huh?

Yes, there is a limit even for WT members!


Luk 6:27-28 (ESVST) 27 " But I say to you who hear, Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you

The only way watchtower members obey this command of Jesus is not joining the military or going to war. If this is not true, please tell us where the billion $ org has one soup kitchen for the homeless. Please tell us where the billion $ org has one homeless shelter. The only reason WT members won't go to war, is they might be killing other WT members. They don't care about everyone, only other WT members.


Luk 6:28 (ESVST) 28 bless those who curse you,

How many people here have you blessed? All I ever see is condemnation from WT members.


Luk 6:28 (ESVST) , pray for those who abuse you.

How many times have you prayed for me? How many times have you condemned me?


Luk 6:30 (ESVST) 30 Give to everyone who begs from you

I'm interested to know how many people you've helped or turned a cold shoulder to that asked for money.


Luk 6:30 (ESVST) from one who takes away your goods do not demand them back.

I'm interested to know how fast you would call the police if someone would steal something from you. If you were at a restaurant and had your phone laying on they table and someone came up and took it, would you let them have it or snatch it back and call the police? Jesus said if someone takes your things, don't demand them back, right?


Luk 6:35 (ESVST) 35 But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return, and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, for he is kind to the ungrateful and the evil.


Even the WT org will lend it's members money, but they have to pay it back. WT picks and chooses what parts of Jesus' commands they want to obey. Jesus said, "love your enemies" so you won't join the military, but you won't help anyone out.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Yeah, I also quote Solomon. He turned out bad, but what he wrote had merit. Jehovah God thought so, too. Lol.

Yes, "God" thought him worthy to be added to the Bible. You're quoting a Catholic whom WT condemns. There is a difference. How in the world can you quote someone as having truth when you condemn everything they stand for?

 

[savagewind]

Luk 6:27-28 (ESVST) 27 " But I say to you who hear, Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you

The only way watchtower members obey this command of Jesus is not joining the military or going to war. If this is not true, please tell us where the billion $ org has one soup kitchen for the homeless. Please tell us where the billion $ org has one homeless shelter. The only reason WT members won't go to war, is they might be killing other WT members. They don't care about everyone, only other WT members.

It is hearsay, but, if what I heard is true, the organization does not even care for its own members.
There was a downsizing when the JWs' New York facilities were sold. The people that worked there did it for free so they have no social security benefits due them. They were let go without a pension. It was assumed that family members would take them in. I think they were not all so lucky.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Yes it is exactly as Paul warned at.....ACTS 20:29,30...He said "From AMONG YOU yourselves, men will rise and speak twisted things to DRAW AWAY THE DISCIPLES AFTER THEMSELVES" ...These ones want to create a new following for themselves, and these splinter groups have done exactly that, they seem to love the idea of being looked up to by people. These are the works of the flesh, the apostle Paul warned us about at ...GAL.5:19-21...and what are some of these ? VS.20 answers, DISSENTIONS, DIVISIONS, SECTS, we all have the information to make a INFORMED decision, Choose WISELY !

Isn't the WT a splinter group? They are a break away from the IBSA aren't they?

 

[savagewind]

Isn't the WT a splinter group? They are a break away from the IBSA aren't they?

International Bible Students Association. Yes.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

It is hearsay, but, if what I heard is true, the organization does not even care for its own members.
There was a downsizing when the JWs' New York facilities were sold. The people that worked there did it for free so they have no social security benefits due them. They were let go without a pension. It was assumed that family members would take them in. I think they were not all so lucky.

I read this too. They let many people go and just told them "good luck". The WT isn't helping them in any way, not with money or a place to live, just kicked them out.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

International Bible Students Association. Yes.

And the IBSA is still going strong today.

http://www.internationalbiblestudents.com/

 

[savagewind]

I read this too. They let many people go and just told them "good luck". The WT isn't helping them in any way, not with money or a place to live, just kicked them out.

That is what I heard. We do not know how true it is. I do know that the governing body expects members to care for each other.

I also know that their stipend while they worked at Bethel was never enough to save even a little bit.

 

[David1967]

The people we bring in are from the world, you can't blame a whole organization for an individual's actions.

I agree. Please apply this way of thinking to other denominations.

As for the splinter groups they are not associated with us what so ever,

But they were at one time is the point. Any religious organization with any age will have groups eventually splinter off with their new and improved version of the "truth".

 

[anonymous9887]

I agree. Please apply this way of thinking to other denominations.



But they were at one time is the point. Any religious organization with any age will have groups eventually splinter off with their new and improved version of the "truth".

Well actually I am consistent in applying that principal to all religions.
But I will call a religion bad when it messes with this criteria: the identity of god, the way in which we worship, the way in which others should be treated, what is the primary focus of the religion and it's members.

 

[savagewind]

Well actually I am consistent in applying that principal to all religions.

Good for you

But I will call a religion bad when it messes with this criteria: the identity of god,

Romans 11:33

the way in which we worship,

Matthew 7:5

the way in which others should be treated,

1 Corinthians 5:13 And who is wicked according to the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses? Anyone who contradicts what comes from the governing body

what is the primary focus of the religion and it's members.

John 3:16

 

[Hockeycowboy]

That alone is not necessarily ''bad'', //ie what you described, imo. This seems entirely contextual or reliant to specific arguments.

Dear Jesu, we appreciate your willingness to understand our position! Everything we adhere to has a Scriptural principle behind it. We do remove unrepentant wrongdoers, based on 1 Corinthians 5:1-13 and others.
FYI.
Take care.

 

[anonymous9887]

Good for you
Romans 11:33Matthew 7:5 1 Corinthians 5:13 And who is wicked according to the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses? Anyone who contradicts what comes from the governing bodyJohn 3:16

1. Romans 11:33. My answer is god has been pretty explicit on what he wants us to know about his identity. So if you call god a trinity it is an insult to the creator. However I will not stop speaking to an individual, because he may have a mental disability, he might be ignorant of the truth, his motives might not be "seeking for truth", only god knows apostates are different though. But then again only Jehovah knows the hearts and incapabilities.
2. Matthew 7:5 okay I see your point. But Jehovah's word is a lamp for my foot so it's examining the scriptures and going with those already doing good or starting the movement yourself. Psalm 119:105
3. Wicked definition for me is John 3:19-21 I won't stop talking to these individuals, but contact with them will be limited to speaking about spiritual matters
1corinthians 15:33
4. As for what should be the goal of the individuals, is to preach the good news urgently in season and out of season. We are to make gods good news available to the entire world. We are to glorify gods name and make known the ransom our father provided. We are to be tools to help individuals come to an accurate knowledge and help them form a relationship with the creator.
5. Let's face the facts we all read others work and we also read the work from other scholars. Even interlinears and the copies of the bibles we have are a product of someone's work. It's impossible to do it all yourself considering all the textual criticism, the mis-translations, and all the other facets involved, even the historical part of it, the study of the bible is a lifelong, time consuming journey, but it's a good thing.

 

[savagewind]

5. Let's face the facts we all read others work and we also read the work from other scholars. Even interlinears and the copies of the bibles we have are a product of someone's work. It's impossible to do it all yourself considering all the textual criticism, the mis-translations, and all the other facets involved, even the historical part of it, the study of the bible is a lifelong, time consuming journey, but it's a good thing.

Is this your answer to John 3:16? What does it mean?

 

[savagewind]

2. Matthew 7:5 okay I see your point. But Jehovah's word is a lamp for my foot so it's examining the scriptures and going with those already doing good

Doing good? Are you judging for good? Why do you call them good? Mark 10:18

or starting the movement yourself.

What does this mean? .

Psalm 119:10

Do you know if the writer of Psalms 119:105 actually heard from Jehovah like Moses and Noah heard from Jehovah? If they did, then Psalms 119:105 means that and NOT scripture. Isaiah 30:21

 

[savagewind]

True worship means to reject every bad opinion and replace the space with the truth about the matter.
1 Corinthians 15:33 Your "good" people say that bad associations are actual people. So each person must decide who is to be rejected and who may stay.
But if 1 Corinthians means that wrong ideas should be eliminated, then each person does self-refining.
Which one makes more sense?

 

[savagewind]

@Paul Chavez did you mean to say it is I who am starting a movement for myself?

Oh boy! I can hear the laughter!