anonymous9887
bible reader
First off I speak of Jehovah and Jesus and the bible as much as I possibly can, but one man alone can't do it.
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How Can We Identify True Worship?
- Thread starter Deeje
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But I didn't say disciples do not have to baptize people. I know I didn't.
Can't do what?
@Paul Chavez what is squad baptizing?
anonymous9887
bible reader
Sanctify gods name, I can't go and make it known to 60,000 people in my city. Imagine just 5 minutes of my time with all 60,000. Or me get them all in the right direction. Not all are online, not all watch tv, not all are at home. It takes a team effort, as the apostles had a team, and ability to perform miracles.
anonymous9887
bible reader
His team, his 12 disciples, his friends.
Jesus sanctified God's name. Then why did he teach them to pray for it? Well, remember he sanctified God name when he was crucified and he told them to pray for it. God's name was not sanctified yet when he told them to pray for it.
anonymous9887
bible reader
At who's direction was Jesus 12 disciples baptizing?
He was the leader of the squad. I get it
anonymous9887
bible reader
Exactly. I don't know where this conversation is going, but here is the facts.He was the leader of the squad. I get it
1. We have to make disciples
2. We have to make YHWH name known
3. In my opinion it's a fact that they keep these 2 well not one without the other. Otherwise muslims would be the best at making disciples.
1. No, God makes disciples.
2. Are you talking about the letters and the sound of God's name? It is God's reputation that a disciple is to make known.
3. Yes, I agree that God makes disciples as we show our discipleship along with confessing Jesus.
anonymous9887
bible reader
Not to mention I like Jehovah's witnesses response from the bible to why god allows all this wickedness to prevail. For example I have asked several different spiritual leaders if my baby dies was that gods will?
Why does god allow all this to happen? I know the answer but the point is I have read scholarly material and it doesn't come near to the basic answer.
anonymous9887
bible reader
Yes but god uses us as instruments.
I agree. We are to walk worthy of the one who made US disciples. When people who are searching for the Christ see us they will see Christ in us.
Oh dear........
When do you just give it up and move on? There will never be a penny to drop with some people because the penny has been thrown away....can't say we didn't try.
True worship is identified by the kind of people it produces....its "fruitage", as Jesus said. What kind of people are Jehovah's Witnesses overall? I am proud to call them my brothers and sisters because, even though we are not perfect, no one can say that as a global brotherhood we do not have peace and unity. No one can say that JW's are dishonest, untrustworthy, or that we don't do what Christ commanded in a way that no other "Christian" body does. We are known throughout the world for our obedience to Christ's commission. (Matt 28:19, 20; 24:14)
How is false worship identified? By disunity, lack of faith, lack of knowledge, being up to their necks in the world, having little regard for their fellowman, and for blatant disobedience to Christ's commands.
The faultfinders must keep hammering away because they have nothing that compares to what we have. They have no answers to the scriptural questions we pose to them so they attack, hoping you will not notice their inadequacy. Those who bother to find out for themselves will see what kind of people we are as a whole, not concentrate on the poison spewed by the disgruntled ex's who can't measure up and are bent on destroying us with their lies and distorted stories. Its all in a day's work for us......and not a single sheep will be dissuaded by them....that is Jesus' promise. He knows who the sheep are and he knows who the goats are. It isn't about labels...its about obedience to the Master and love for God and neighbor..
We will all stand or fall by whom and what we choose to believe. May we all choose wisely and without prejudice....let our choices be based on Bible truth, not on malicious gossip and lies.
When do you just give it up and move on? There will never be a penny to drop with some people because the penny has been thrown away....can't say we didn't try.
True worship is identified by the kind of people it produces....its "fruitage", as Jesus said. What kind of people are Jehovah's Witnesses overall? I am proud to call them my brothers and sisters because, even though we are not perfect, no one can say that as a global brotherhood we do not have peace and unity. No one can say that JW's are dishonest, untrustworthy, or that we don't do what Christ commanded in a way that no other "Christian" body does. We are known throughout the world for our obedience to Christ's commission. (Matt 28:19, 20; 24:14)
How is false worship identified? By disunity, lack of faith, lack of knowledge, being up to their necks in the world, having little regard for their fellowman, and for blatant disobedience to Christ's commands.
The faultfinders must keep hammering away because they have nothing that compares to what we have. They have no answers to the scriptural questions we pose to them so they attack, hoping you will not notice their inadequacy. Those who bother to find out for themselves will see what kind of people we are as a whole, not concentrate on the poison spewed by the disgruntled ex's who can't measure up and are bent on destroying us with their lies and distorted stories. Its all in a day's work for us......and not a single sheep will be dissuaded by them....that is Jesus' promise. He knows who the sheep are and he knows who the goats are. It isn't about labels...its about obedience to the Master and love for God and neighbor..
We will all stand or fall by whom and what we choose to believe. May we all choose wisely and without prejudice....let our choices be based on Bible truth, not on malicious gossip and lies.
Ingledsva
HEATHEN ALASKAN
I think there needs to be some clarification of John 3:16.
John 3:16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten (monogenes) Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Monogenēs does not have to mean "only begotten." It means sole, unique, one of a kind, special.
The claim is that Jesus as Messiah is the first - monogenes of a special kind - on earth - the ONLY awaited MESSIAH sent from YHVH - through the line of David. - and he is the last of his kind, - as he brings about the END, and Final Judgment of ALL in Sheol.
The Messiah is supposed to be a SPECIAL - ONE OF A KIND - HUMAN - born from the line of David.
King David was a Son of God. All of Israel are Sons of God, etc. The Messiah is just a special one of a kind son of God.
The Messiah is not God, or a literal son of God.
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blue taylor
Active Member
Jesus was not the only Son Of God. To say Jesus was the only Son Of God is absolutely incorrect.
1 And it cometh to pass that mankind have begun to multiply on the face of the ground, and daughters have been born to them,
2 and sons of God see the daughters of men that they [are] fair, and they take to themselves women of all whom they have chosen.
3 And Jehovah said, `My Spirit doth not strive in man -- to the age; in their erring they [are] flesh:' and his days have been an hundred and twenty years.
4 The fallen ones were in the earth in those days, and even afterwards when sons of God come in unto daughters of men, and they have borne to them -- they [are] the heroes, who, from of old, [are] the men of name.
YLT
A more detailed account can be found in The Book Of Giants.
1 And it cometh to pass that mankind have begun to multiply on the face of the ground, and daughters have been born to them,
2 and sons of God see the daughters of men that they [are] fair, and they take to themselves women of all whom they have chosen.
3 And Jehovah said, `My Spirit doth not strive in man -- to the age; in their erring they [are] flesh:' and his days have been an hundred and twenty years.
4 The fallen ones were in the earth in those days, and even afterwards when sons of God come in unto daughters of men, and they have borne to them -- they [are] the heroes, who, from of old, [are] the men of name.
YLT
A more detailed account can be found in The Book Of Giants.
anonymous9887
bible reader
Yes I agree Jesus is the son of the living god
Ingledsva
HEATHEN ALASKAN
Only in the sense that all Jews are sons of God.
He was claiming to be a special one of these sons, - the Messiah.
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Who says?! I've helped quite a few out, myself! Bought food for a few people, stopped to help with several flat tires, even have taken some people to the hospital 3 different times. All strangers, whom I mostly met in service.
You ever heard the phrase, "Give a person a fish, you feed him for a day. Teach a person to fish, you feed him for a lifetime"? So, we mostly give of our time to teach people about Jehovah, He's the one who gives everlasting life through Jesus, thereby putting them on the road to life. But we are encouraged to help others monetarily, if the need is there. I've been helped by others, myself.
We try to imitate Jesus (Mark 6:34).
If I may ask you this: Jesus said His followers would be "hated by the world", due to obedience to Christ. Does having soup kitchens make them hated? How does "belonging to Christ" make one hated? How are you hated?
Jesus said His disciples would experience "division" even with their family members! (Matthew 10:35-36) Why?