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How can you literally believe...

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Deidre

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PopeADope said:
Sorry, I'm going through a phase where I'm putting God on trial and finding him guilty of being unfaithful to his word, guilty of refusing to guide his people as he repeatedly promised, guilty of proving himself to untrustworthy and unreliable! I hope you're reading this Mr. God! :mad:
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Well, sometimes God gives us plenty of signs, and does keep His promises, but we just choose to not see it that way. You should read the book of Job, he saw it differently. ^_^
 
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Deidre

Well-Known Member
I'd be curious to know why you vacillate with your faith, SF. Not to debate you, but just to know why. It's okay to be drawn to certain aspects of Christianity, while not drawn to the whole story, you know? It is also okay to be drawn to a lot of different faiths. I think that coming back to faith for me showed me just that, that I'm not a slave to what I was taught growing up about Christianity. :sunflower:
 
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Nietzsche

The Last Prussian
Premium Member
Saint Frankenstein said:
Not really. I'm ignoring the trolls and I'll start reporting people next. Keep derailing my thread and see what happens.
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The validity of your statement is the cornerstone of the thread. We're contesting that. As much as you dislike it, it doesn't make it less true. This isn't being derailed, what's happening is that you don't like the road the conversation is going down.
 
lovesong

lovesong

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Premium Member
Saint Frankenstein said:
Not really. I'm ignoring the trolls and I'll start reporting people next. Keep derailing my thread and see what happens.
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Pointing out a person's relation to their positions and questioning the validity of their statements based on their general religious positions isn't derailing. A valid move in any debate is questioning the validity of statements and looking at their larger context. It may not be what you wanted from the thread but it is still a fair way for it to go that doesn't derive far from the thread's OP, which by the way, is just questioning the validity of beliefs itself. So in the spirit of the OP, let us continue with our evaluation of the credibility of certain religious positions.
 
lewisnotmiller

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
Deidre said:
When I left Christianity a few years ago, I remember wanting to tell my Christian friends that what they believed was ''false,'' and ''wrong,'' and a number of other things. Because *I* no longer believed, I wanted to denounce their beliefs, and lead them to 'the light.' lol
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I think that's pretty normal human behaviour, regardless of topic. Try talking to a recently reformed smoker. Or someone who's 'discovered' personal training/paleo diets.

Deidre said:
I wasn't mean about it or anything, but I do remember feeling angry about what I had believed then, and wanted to get my friends to see what I saw. Online, and offline.
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It's (broadly) the same reason young people can be quite earnest. Time has a way of holding up a mirror, and letting us see that the 'answer' we have is more just 'a possible answer', with different situations showing it in a different light.


Deidre said:
Coming back to faith last year, my faith, while I identify as a Christian, it's not the same faith as a few years ago, it's a belief in Jesus, and His love. I don't take all of the Bible literally, but there are many who do. I feel like I have more freedom now to express my views having left faith, then returning to it, than I did if I hadn't left it at all. We're all on different paths, I just encourage people to leave faith or embrace it, whatever their faith choices, for the right reasons. That's all.
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I try (mostly succesfully) to ignore 'faith' and judge people on their fruits.
Pro tip : don't ever walk into a room and tell people that you're planning to judge them on their fruits. It leads to some weird responses.
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lewisnotmiller

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
Nietzsche said:
The validity of your statement is the cornerstone of the thread. We're contesting that. As much as you dislike it, it doesn't make it less true. This isn't being derailed, what's happening is that you don't like the road the conversation is going down.
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Imagine I asked the same question then...

;)
 
Saint Frankenstein

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
Deidre said:
I'd be curious to know why you vacillate with your faith, SF. Not to debate you, but just to know why. It's okay to be drawn to certain aspects of Christianity, while not drawn to the whole story, you know? It is also okay to be drawn to a lot of different faiths. I think that coming back to faith for me showed me just that, that I'm not a slave to what I was taught growing up about Christianity. :sunflower:
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I don't want to get into it here, because that's not the topic of the thread. This thread isn't about me and I'm trying to keep it from being about me. What I personally believe now is irrelevant to the subject. I'm not trying to insult people, I'm just asking a question about how people believe in certain things I find quite fantastic. It's like if I started a thread about Young Earth Creationism. You can PM me, though. I am getting rather angry with the trolls ganging up on me and trying to make this thread about my personal beliefs/issues, because they have a personal issue with me that they need to keep to themselves. (Not that you're one of them.)
 
Saint Frankenstein

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
columbus said:
I remember you described it as Latin Rite Catholic.
It's a hard core form of the belief system you described in your OP. Complete with an icon avatar of the Saint Francis.
Tom
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I was trying to go along with what the Church teaches, mostly for emotional reasons. It didn't hold up because I questioned too much. I haven't been "hardcore" about it in a long time, though.
 
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columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
syncretic said:
Keeping things in perspective, in another thread, you literally stated that Jesus would have ''disagreed with me, personally; then later in same thread, stated that no one knows what jesus thought about anything.
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Nothing complicated about it.
There is the real Jesus who lived in 1st century Judea.
Then there is the Jesus who is a character in the New Testament.
Tom
 
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columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
Saint Frankenstein said:
I was trying to go along with what the Church teaches, mostly for emotional reasons. It didn't hold up because I questioned too much. I haven't been "hardcore" about it in a long time, though.
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You were hard core enough to complain about me defending Mother Church in the "Catholic Only DIR" last summer.
Tom
 
Saint Frankenstein

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
columbus said:
You were hard core enough to complain about me defending Mother Church in the "Catholic Only DIR" last summer.
Tom
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:facepalm:

That wasn't last summer. It was the end of last year. My mom was dying and you were in my thread basically saying I had no right to complain about how I was being treated. That's the last time I saw my mom take communion. So I suggest that you get over it, because I was hurt over the things you were saying but you don't see me whining about it all the time. Some people seem to have issues recognizing the emotional contexts of things. Let it go. I don't give a damn where you want to post now. I'd appreciate it if you'd stop whining about it every chance you get.
 
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columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
Saint Frankenstein said:
you were in my thread basically saying I had no right to complain about how I was being treated.
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I was pointing out that the church you were dissing has standards. You were complaining that they didn't do things your way, when you were also rather pompous and self righteous about church teachings. You complained about not getting Communion when you weren't even close to eligible. Nobody goes through a Satanist period and then gets Communion, without at least going to Confession.
I was defending the Church that you claimed to believe in. I don't believe in It, but I love that Church. So it made me rather angry when you did that.
And I have kept my mouth shut for even longer than I thought. I don't respond to your posts. Apparently it's been a year.

But the deeply hypocritical irony of your OP in this thread pushed me out of the cage. A bit.
Tom
 
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