Call_of_the_Wild
Well-Known Member
Disciple, think logically, now.
If a person really went around turning water into wine, feeding 5,000 from a few fish and loaves of bread, raising a rotting corpse to life (!), changing his body to able to shine like the Sun during a visit from apparitions, rose from the dead after rotting in a tomb for 3 days (!) and ascended bodily into the sky (!)
The hypothesis is that these miracles were performed based on the existence of a Supreme (4 omni's) being...and if such a being exists, then turning water into wine, raising from the dead, feeding the multitude, etc...those things would hardly be a difficult feat if such a being actually existed. Now, get an ordinary human being and tell him/her to perform those feats, now that would be a feat!!!
Second, I find it utterly amazing that people point out those things that you pointed out and act as if those things are soooooo incredibly surreal...now it is true, believers believe those things...but what does naturalists believe? They believe that long ago, inanimate (non-living) matter...suddenly.....CAME TO LIFE...it was non-living, and it suddenly came to life....and began TALKING...THINKING...HAVING SEX...etc.......non-living material suddenly CAME TO LIFE??? And began talking and thinking??
How is that any more mesmerizing and/or absurd than the notion that an ALL-POWERFUL being...being able to turn water into wine??? You want to point out the things that believers believe...what about what you have to believe if you negate the existence of a Supreme Being?
, this person would not only be the biggest sensation in the ancient world but the biggest sensation in all of human history!
He is!! He is Jesus Christ, the founder of the world's biggest religion in the world. He is worshipped, he is prayed to, and his followers (supposedly) base their entire lives on his name...their lives, and also their afterlife. I'd say that person is the "biggest sensation in human history". If that doesn't make you the biggest sensation, then I'd like to know the criteria.
The libraries wouldn't be able to hold all the contemporary writings documenting this amazing, out of the world person's many mind-blowing feats!
Christianity began in small geographical areas in the Empire. Jesus wasn't going on worldwide tours..and he didn't need too, obviously....which would make the spread of Christianity even more remarkable. Mass libraries and contemporary writings were just not needed, and he is STILL the most remarkable man in the history of mankind.
Our very views on science and possibility would be permanently and astonishingly changed forever.
*Singing in Tina Turner's vioce* "What science got to do, got to do with it?"
No one would be able to refute this person's accomplishments and we'd have all the evidence needed to accept this person as the true Lord and Savior.
Based on over the 1 billion Christians in the world...I'd say that most people in the world DO accept this person as the true Lord and Savior.
There would be no atheists and the other religions would probably collapse under the weight of so much evidence for the truth of Christianity's claims.
I don't think that would be necessarily true.
Instead...
Nothing. Nada. Zip. Not one word can be proven to have been written about this person during his lifetime. All the writings about him come decades or even over a century after all this is supposed to have occurred.
Yeah, decades...and these "decades" were still during the lifetime of the original disciples.
We have no idea what this person looked like. There's not one drawing or portrait of him. We have no writings from this person, and he was supposedly literate. Why would the son of God not write anything down for posterity?
No idea what he looked like? We don't know what King Tut looked like either...the golden mask (the one that I am rockin) looks very different from the mummy :yes:
Doesn't this bother you at all?
Not at all...especially since I can provide solid refutations of any critique that you can give me...and I can also build a case in my favor as well. So no, no worries.
Thinking all this clearly out over a few years helped to wreck my faith, for sure. None of it adds up at all.
It wrecked your faith? Really? Have you ever sought out any answers to your so called "objections", or did once the going got tough, you got going?
So we have two choices here, logically:
He existed but was just one of many preachers and possible messiah claimants and said and did nothing of importance to cause him to be noticed by many during his lifetime.
This is a complete failure of historical inquiry.
Or...
He never existed in the first place and the story was completely made up and possibly based on several different figures and combined into a composite with mythology thrown in.
Either way, the claims of Christianity collapse and all we're left with is a story that can entertain and inspire, but nothing more.
Or, Jesus of Nazareth was/is God incarnate, sent to die for the sins of mankind. That is an option, too...an option that over 1 billion people have accepted as a living reality.
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