Shad
Veteran Member
First off I disagree with the notion that the existence of God is "unproven"...even though "proof" is a bad term to use here...I will put it like this, I believe that the existence of God is more PROBABLE/PLAUSIBLE than its negations, as I have at least 5 reasons why I believe that God exists, and one reason why I believe that this God has revealed himself in Jesus Christ.
God has no been proven by any objective standard so the idea is unproven. You believe in one of many possible but unverified and unfalsifiable ideas. Which is exactly what I said.
So once you can successfully refute all 6 of these independent arguments, then you have no case whatsoever.
One does not prove a negative. You presented claims, as others do and are required to prove these claims. Since the later claims are based on an unproven claim itself secondary claims tied to this first unproven idea can be dismissed. I only need to point out the first claim is unsound in order to show later claims are unsound as well.
I dismiss it not necessarily just because I don't find it possible, but because I don't see any evidence FOR IT...that, followed by the fact that I have arguments AGAINST it, makes its possibility even more remote.
You are just repeating the fallacy. You do not find it possible does not mean something is impossible. You secondary arguments have already been shown to be flawed.
God doesn't "violate" physics. All science is conditional...certain conditions have to be met for things to happen...God simply is beyond these conditions.
Splitting the Red Sea violates physics. Turn water into wine violates physics. IF God is beyond physics he violates physics just by being...
The method used is "being God". Before you can even begin to answer these questions, as you just stated that "God answers require far more explanations", how about you answer questions that are supposed to be naturalistic and thereby simplier...such as how do you explain the origin of consciousness, the universe, and life...before you put the cart before the horse and start jumping the gun, how about explaining those things? Those are the simpler areas of inquiry, right?
God is the claim not the method.
Origin of consciousness is found in evolution and brain development. Experiments with Apes shows these animals are capable of rational thought, recalling memory and the communication of basic ideas. There are a number of theoretical ideas for cosmology. None are prove no more than God. You are free to pick one if you wish but this does not mean it is fact. Nor do current theories need to be accept to question the God hypothesis. The God hypothesis must stand on it's own merit not that other ideas nor their failures.
Reading comprehension. No where in my posts was it said or implied that "because Christianity has the most followers, it is therefore the one true religion".
Biggest religion implying size of it's membership. This is an ad populum fallacy as membership does not imply one has influence. History is full of negative results due to his influence which are not countered by believers,
The disciples were players on a 12 (11) team roster...and Jesus was the owner, gm, and coach of the team. Jesus was the leader, and his disciples were the followers.
He was an absent GM. His followers did all the work.
Reading comprehension. Again, my point was never "because Christianity has the most followers, it is therefore true".
Still a fallacy as you are using belief in numbers to justify a position. Your reply was addressing evidence.
You are assuming that the "earliest copy" implies "earlies originals".
No I am basing this on the writing style of Mark, the earliest Gospel. A writting system of a poety not that of a tax-man. No honest scholarship believes Mark was written by the apostle.
No one doubts that Paul wrote 1Corinthians. That is all I need.[/quote]
For this verse sure but for other passage and letter authorship is required to be established. This is honest scholarship not a religious ideology.