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How did Satan get to the garden of Eden?

waitasec

waitasec

Veteran Member
Thief said:
I don't care who wrote it.
Don't care who believes it.
And there's no point debating text that most people don't know.

Can't deal with the spiritual implications?

If God can have a conversation with people, then so can other spirits.
The conversation in the garden was pivotal.

From a non-believers viewpoint it's all myth.
Don't like mythology?
Why then hang around debates about God?

This isn't about history.
It's about the serpent in the garden.
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the irony
 
waitasec

waitasec

Veteran Member
outhouse said:
its called tuck tail and run when faced with facts and a honest approach.


All I wanted to do was talk about the snake and why hebrews used a snake and not the satan charactor
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perhaps it's because the tradition was constantly evolving as their understanding of the world evolved...and the metaphor of satan evolved with that understanding
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
waitasec said:
perhaps it's because the tradition was constantly evolving as their understanding of the world evolved...and the metaphor of satan evolved with that understanding
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And with this in mind....
Shall we say God created the garden?
And the serpent is then an unwanted interference?
 
muhammad_isa

muhammad_isa

Veteran Member
waitasec said:
..and the metaphor of satan evolved with that understanding
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satan is not a metaphor. evil is not a metaphor.

Human beings are capable of evil .. they can follow a path of righteousness in the form of Divine guidance, or they can follow their own man-made agendas. A number of excuses/reasons are offered for following satan, and none are valid. A person who commits major sins/crimes without sincere repentance are "as satan" .. they find other peoples' distress amusing .. they encourage others to follow them.
 
waitasec

waitasec

Veteran Member
muhammad_isa said:
satan is not a metaphor. evil is not a metaphor.

Human beings are capable of evil .. they can follow a path of righteousness in the form of Divine guidance, or they can follow their own man-made agendas. A number of excuses/reasons are offered for following satan, and none are valid. A person who commits major sins/crimes without sincere repentance are "as satan" .. they find other peoples' distress amusing .. they encourage others to follow them.
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you are right evil is not a metaphor, it is subjective nonetheless.
satan is a metaphor for evil
humans are equally responsible for their evil or good actions.
 
outhouse

outhouse

Atheistically
Shall we say God created the garden?
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NO we shall not.

Ancient hebrews wrote this and didnt look at it as a literal legend.

They wrote it allegory to explain their specific beliefs to teach lessons.

You would have to prove ancient hebrews at that time of authorship believed the graden to be real. So far, no one has.


And the serpent is then an unwanted interference?
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No

the serpent is a wanted charactor in the legend.
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
waitasec said:
you are right evil is not a metaphor, it is subjective nonetheless.
satan is a metaphor for evil
humans are equally responsible for their evil or good actions.
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There would be an ultimate personification of evil....
as there is personification of good.

Think superlatives...think spiritual superlatives....think.....
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
outhouse said:
NO we shall not.

Ancient hebrews wrote this and didnt look at it as a literal legend.

They wrote it allegory to explain their specific beliefs to teach lessons.

You would have to prove ancient hebrews at that time of authorship believed the graden to be real. So far, no one has.




No

the serpent is a wanted charactor in the legend.
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Call it legend if you want to.
But then...you don't really have a contribution beyond that point...do you?
 
Gjallarhorn

Gjallarhorn

N'yog-Sothep
Thief said:
I can do both.

But I've noticed the speech of one is identical to the other.
It's just the application and the results that differ.

Did you noticed the dialog in the Garden?
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So, God is Satan, both absolutely good and absolutely evil.

That's...yeah...
 
outhouse

outhouse

Atheistically
Thief said:
Call it legend if you want to.
But then...you don't really have a contribution beyond that point...do you?
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yes I do, the authors put a talking snake in the graden, thats it.



the truth is better then imagination with no backing at all.
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
outhouse said:
yes I do, the authors put a talking snake in the graden, thats it.

the truth is better then imagination with no backing at all.
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If you prefer the metaphorical approach...go for it.
(this isn't a history discussion.)
 
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