How did Satan get to the garden of Eden?

[muhammad_isa]

..i'm afraid of my freedoms being taken away...

That's very reasonable .. I don't blame you!
Separating fact from fiction is the best way of securing freedom & justice .. claiming that there is no Divinity does not achieve this, it just gives satan more power.

..and on the subject of freedom .. giving people the freedom to commit inequities and corruption, usually of a sexual or financial nature, does not secure fredom & justice for a society.
Every society needs some kind of law .. secular law (which has no moral core), is for disbelievers .. God's law is for believers.
We will all see whether satan's plans are superior to God's .. eventually

 

[waitasec]

That's very reasonable .. I don't blame you!
Separating fact from fiction is the best way of securing freedom & justice .. claiming that there is no Divinity does not achieve this, it just gives satan more power.

..and on the subject of freedom .. giving people the freedom to commit inequities and corruption, usually of a sexual or financial nature, does not secure fredom & justice for a society.
Every society needs some kind of law .. secular law (which has no moral core), is for disbelievers .. God's law is for believers.
We will all see whether satan's plans are superior to God's .. eventually

but how would 2 consenting adults, who are of the same sex who want to share the same liberties as married couples, going to make society insecure?

 

[muhammad_isa]

but how would 2 consenting adults, who are of the same sex who want to share the same liberties as married couples, going to make society insecure?

Deviation from topic .. but it's bound to make a difference, surely? The question is whether the change threatens the well-being of society and consequently individuals..

If you want to continue with this topic, I think a new thread is required..

 

[waitasec]

Deviation from topic .. but it's bound to make a difference, surely? The question is whether the change threatens the well-being of society and consequently individuals..

If you want to continue with this topic, I think a new thread is required..

i'll meet you over here
http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...162-waitasec-vs-muhammad_isa.html#post2833148

 

[sincerly]

And just where did you prove that creation didn't happen then???(6000 years ago)

Homo sapiens have 200,000 years of history

And your source?? The theories/and imaginable calculations which continue to be expanded to billions of years that "impossibility"---something from nothing just might happen.!!

we have 6000 years of writing from all over the world that shows that the human population did not start in the levant 6000 years ago.

Your may bet on that being a fact, but I place my life on the GOD of Creation Who did the Creation of mankind in that area.

we know agriculture started 12000 years ago

You have accepted that as a real date made by persons who have no use for the Creator of all things, but I accept the writings of the person who was in The Creator's presence for 40 days and nights receiving the truth of the origin of earth's existence and recording the fact.

we know the ancient hebrews migrated from canaan and mesopotamia after 1200 BC and were never a enslaved race in egypt.

By 1050 BC, Joshua had defeated the King of Jerusalem and the other kings about him. That was into Canaan and "the promised land." Joshua and those with him are the same descendants of Jacob/Isreal who were slaves of the Egyptians for many of the 400 years they were there. True, they went down there "free"---But after Joseph's death they were treated /made slaves.

creation is a myth outlawed from public schools. We dont teach our children these things anymore in public school.

And the reason being now, (in my life-time) separation of "Church and State". It is the theory of evolution which is the Myth.

Ancient hebrews did not know history of the world or anything about 6000 years ago.

At that time there were no "Ancient Hebrews" and the existance of the earth was just in its infancy.

Moses has no historicity

scholars and historians look at him as a created figure

Of course, like so many other things, one has to negate the truth , so that the Erronous can appear to have validity.

 

[outhouse]

And your source?? The theories/and imaginable calculations which continue to be expanded to billions of years that "impossibility"---something from nothing just might happen.!!



Your may bet on that being a fact, but I place my life on the GOD of Creation Who did the Creation of mankind in that area.



You have accepted that as a real date made by persons who have no use for the Creator of all things, but I accept the writings of the person who was in The Creator's presence for 40 days and nights receiving the truth of the origin of earth's existence and recording the fact.



By 1050 BC, Joshua had defeated the King of Jerusalem and the other kings about him. That was into Canaan and "the promised land." Joshua and those with him are the same descendants of Jacob/Isreal who were slaves of the Egyptians for many of the 400 years they were there. True, they went down there "free"---But after Joseph's death they were treated /made slaves.



And the reason being now, (in my life-time) separation of "Church and State". It is the theory of evolution which is the Myth.



At that time there were no "Ancient Hebrews" and the existance of the earth was just in its infancy.



Of course, like so many other things, one has to negate the truth , so that the Erronous can appear to have validity.

Please attent a college class on history, then if you want a serious debate, please feel free to join at that time.


writing goes back to 6000 years accurately in 3 different countries with no break in their writings.

This is not a YEC debate and has nothing to do with the snake in the tree.

 

[waitasec]

Please attent a college class on history, then if you want a serious debate, please feel free to join at that time.

are you kidding me...? attend a secular class where they teach their biased history... never... :sarcastic

 

[sincerly]

Please attent a college class on history, then if you want a serious debate, please feel free to join at that time.

Didn't you say that "public schools don't teach that". Therefore, If I attend a "Non-public college" Class of "History," Do you think I'll be fed the same erroneous dates and material as is taught in secular colleges?
You mean that you were not serious in your comments? If I believed as you believe, there would be NO DEBATE---just agreement.

writing goes back to 6000 years accurately in 3 different countries with no break in their writings.

According to your source(s), which you failed to site.
Also, From Sinai(approx.1500 BC), the events and History of the nation of Israel was written (forward). Also, the preceeding 2500 years were made known and recorded. That is why one has this record to debate. And you were able to refer to that "little black book".

This is not a YEC debate and has nothing to do with the snake in the tree.

According to the "jump button" this topic is on the "Bible debate" forum. The serpent and Garden of Eden is found in the BIBLE.

 

[sincerly]

are you kidding me...? attend a secular class where they teach their biased history... never... :sarcastic

I attended Public High School and they taught Evolution. But at that time, 1,000,000 BC was thought to be sufficient time for the processes of evolution. Now, Billions of years isn't enough. The more knowledge that is obtained the farther back one has to move the origin. GOD'S ways are past finding out. "HE spoke and it stood fast".

 

[Thief]

As the serpent leads everyone from the garden......

 

[doppelganger]

As the serpent leads everyone from the garden......

The logos leads everyone from the Garden.

No ego = no "God" to stand in contrast to it.

The serpent did "God" a huge favor by allowing "God" to exist.

 

[waitasec]

I attended Public High School and they taught Evolution. But at that time, 1,000,000 BC was thought to be sufficient time for the processes of evolution. Now, Billions of years isn't enough. The more knowledge that is obtained the farther back one has to move the origin. GOD'S ways are past finding out. "HE spoke and it stood fast".

and that makes sense?

 

[outhouse]

Do you think I'll be fed the same erroneous dates and material as is taught in secular colleges?

There is no debate at all!! for dating methods used today.

NONE AT ALL!!

there is also a direct link to ones education and this belief of YEC.


what education do you have?? to try and discredit scientist with decades of schooling?? what do you have??

Also, From Sinai(approx.1500 BC), the events and History of the nation of Israel was written (forward).

FALSE

I suggest you take a history class on the subject


People started migrating to Israel from 1200 BC on

These people did not start writing until a little before 1000 BC


these FACTS are also not in dispute

The serpent and Garden of Eden is found in the BIBLE.

well then do you agree its just a snake??? or do you have some real evidence it was the devil within genesis ??

 

[Thief]

well then do you agree its just a snake??? or do you have some real evidence it was the devil within genesis ??

No it was not just a snake.

To call someone a serpent is a statement of character.
That character cannot be taken out of the storyline.

That is spoke indicates it was not 'just a snake'.

Now what do you think was really going on?

Try thinking as if you believe in spiritual things.

 

[doppelganger]

Now what do you think was really going on?

Try thinking as if you believe in spiritual things.

The serpent was giving birth to the dualistic nature of being. As the oroborous often does.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serpent_(symbolism))


The same dualistic nature that makes it possible for "God" to even exist.

 

[Thief]

The serpent was giving birth to the dualistic nature of being. As the oroborous often does.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serpent_(symbolism)

Your link is under update...in the meantime....

I can't take the character of the serpent out of Genesis.
Not much of a story if anyone should do so.

So what do you think is really going on?
The serpent means 'what' in the story?

 

[doppelganger]

Your link is under update...in the meantime....

I can't take the character of the serpent out of Genesis.
Not much of a story if anyone should do so.

So what do you think is really going on?
The serpent means 'what' in the story?

I already told you. Don't be deliberately obtuse.

Read.

 

[Thief]

I already told you. Don be deliberately obtuse.

Read.

Well let's pretend I need it straight forward.

Was the serpent a 'character' or not?

 

[doppelganger]

Well let's pretend I need it straight forward.

Was the serpent a 'character' or not?

Let's pretend you know how to read.

And then you go read.

And come back when you're done.

K?

 

[Thief]

Let's pretend you know how to read.

And then you go read.

And come back when you're done.

K?

Just answer the question.....let's pretend you can....