How did Satan get to the garden of Eden?

[waitasec]

they need to stop the YEC nonsense, it really is embarrassing humanity. And the education system in the USA.

:spit: :biglaugh:

now that was awesome!!!

 

[sincerly]

]Hi Bobby, Yes, I do pick the Bible to be the truth it is. You pick the Bible to be a myth and the Creator GOD the Bible declares,also, to be a myth---to fit your "worldview."
What is odd is your anger/displeasure/frustration/etc that (according to you) some one else believes in a "god" that is a myth and what that myth says goes against/contradicts all that you apparently see as fact. "IF" it were really a myth in your estimation,--------why does it bother you?

I love when this happens…See, when one can’t defend the position they jump to a few different outs…one of those outs is the “you’re angry” card. There is a big difference between anger (fury and rage, which your god often shows on his people) and being appalled and disgusted (shocked and horrified). Also I don’t get this mentality that since you believe in a god, your life means more than mine…your arrogance is atrocious (not to be mixed up with me being angry), it saddens me that you can’t see it. You don’t have some moral high ground because you have a god to tell you killing is wrong (although you have decided at times it is perfectly justifiable) or that you shouldn’t commit adultery or steal. Most non believers don’t do these types of things because they are bad and could hurt other people. Not doing things because the big eye in the sky is watching or not doing something in hopes of getting a reward (heaven) isn’t moral anyway, it’s very immoral. Please don’t mix up the word facts when talking about god, the only fact is that there is no evidence that god exists. As far as you asking me don’t I have the same power to choose as you do? No, it’s the other way around, you have the power to choose as I do, however you need a god to lay out how and how you shouldn’t act. Thou shalt not kill, except when it’s ok because I can justify it in the bible…you do realize the contradiction here correct?
There are lots of reasons morals developed, we don’t have to suppose a god did them. Also why would you ask why I care? Isn’t this a forum to debate religious topics??? If you don’t want to defend your position, why are you posting in the DEBATE section?
“Those people would know the Law and would have chosen to disobey GOD. Therefore, it is the people who are unloving and defiant. GOD in his Love and Mercy has warned the people vocally and in the written law.” How many times, did this merciful god show his wrath and killed countless amounts of HIS OWN PEOPLE, we have a word for that…it’s called Genocide.

First, that "etc." indicates/includes the ""being appalled and disgusted (shocked and horrified). "" seen in this post as your response to someone else's belief in GOD and that GOD'S messages being contrary to your own beliefs.

Second, The warning was given and the penalty named. Don't eat of that tree. When/if you Do, you shall die. The adversary said, "ye shall not surely die". Who spoke the truth? Mankind has been dying since that event.
You tried to twist my contextual statement concerning the power of choice. ALL choose between things/information/beliefs/etc.

I want to comment on this comment of yours previously:

So I am looking for something empirical and falsifiable, if you can’t provide either, your claim is bogus.

Moses wrote/recorded information from GOD. There were people who were to read these written laws yearly in the presence of the congregation yearly. Also, there were scribes who recorded the history of the Nation of Israel and leaders of the people, especially. Also, how GOD lead and intervened during that time ---That's empirical.

As far as "falsifiable", many have tried to do such since the serpent in the Garden.

"mentality"/"arrogance" are claims "jumped to" which are false. GOD, nor the ones HE told to "Go and teach," desires anything from the world's population but the have a humble and contrite heart in Repentance and Obedience to the "whatsoever I have told you" and done in one's behalf.

Where-ever I look, I see evidence which proclaims that GOD does exist.

Genocide may be your term, but since one can choose to repent and live, the term is "Suicide".

 

[BobbyisStrange]

First, that "etc." indicates/includes the ""being appalled and disgusted (shocked and horrified). "" seen in this post as your response to someone else's belief in GOD and that GOD'S messages being contrary to your own beliefs.

Second, The warning was given and the penalty named. Don't eat of that tree. When/if you Do, you shall die. The adversary said, "ye shall not surely die". Who spoke the truth? Mankind has been dying since that event.
You tried to twist my contextual statement concerning the power of choice. ALL choose between things/information/beliefs/etc.

I want to comment on this comment of yours previously:

Moses wrote/recorded information from GOD. There were people who were to read these written laws yearly in the presence of the congregation yearly. Also, there were scribes who recorded the history of the Nation of Israel and leaders of the people, especially. Also, how GOD lead and intervened during that time ---That's empirical.

As far as "falsifiable", many have tried to do such since the serpent in the Garden.

"mentality"/"arrogance" are claims "jumped to" which are false. GOD, nor the ones HE told to "Go and teach," desires anything from the world's population but the have a humble and contrite heart in Repentance and Obedience to the "whatsoever I have told you" and done in one's behalf.

Where-ever I look, I see evidence which proclaims that GOD does exist.

Genocide may be your term, but since one can choose to repent and live, the term is "Suicide".

Ok this is becoming circular, youre trying to prove the bible by using the bible. There is no historical evidence of Moses, none of an exodus. Your evidence fails sir.

 

[waitasec]

Ok this is becoming circular, youre trying to prove the bible by using the bible. There is no historical evidence of Moses, none of an exodus. Your evidence fails sir.

but the bible says it's the word of god :sarcastic

 

[sincerly]

Ok this is becoming circular, youre trying to prove the bible by using the bible. There is no historical evidence of Moses, none of an exodus. Your evidence fails sir.

What better source than the Creator GOD who made all things. No One has yet produced anything which has "LIFE". Man has "produced" much "Theory" as to why there is no GOD, but the evidence is lacking for the validity of where the first thing has come from "Nothing"----much less produced "LIFE"

Your "theories fail sir."

It is strange that other sources refuse the acknowledge the BIBLE or people therein, but acknowledge that other nations whose people did have contact with the Israelites do acknowledge the facts of their existance and their GOD.

 

[BobbyisStrange]

What better source than the Creator GOD who made all things. No One has yet produced anything which has "LIFE". Man has "produced" much "Theory" as to why there is no GOD, but the evidence is lacking for the validity of where the first thing has come from "Nothing"----much less produced "LIFE"

Your "theories fail sir."

It is strange that other sources refuse the acknowledge the BIBLE or people therein, but acknowledge that other nations whose people did have contact with the Israelites do acknowledge the facts of their existance and their GOD.

This is false sir, look up the work of Dr. Venter, check out his work of the first life form created by humanity...mycoplasma laboratorium.

Also everyone that believes in a god acknowledges what they consider facts of their existence and their god...that doesn't make it true.

 

[BobbyisStrange]

but the bible says it's the word of god :sarcastic

Hahahaha

 

[waitasec]

What better source than the Creator GOD who made all things.

one wonders why the creator resorted to a fallible way of communicating his will...via 3rd person.


when it's raining i don't need anyone to explain it's raining...
the rain speaks for itself...

but apparently god isn't as obvious as the rain.

 

[sincerly]

one wonders why the creator resorted to a fallible way of communicating his will...via 3rd person.


when it's raining i don't need anyone to explain it's raining...
the rain speaks for itself...

but apparently god isn't as obvious as the rain.

Waitasec, Moses gathered all the camp at the foot of MT. Sinai and Spoke HIS Will audible to the people. HE wrote the Decalogue on tablets of stone. And when the people were afraid---they asked Moses to HEAR and "Whatever the LORD says, We will do". Moses relayed all the LORD had said to the people and wrote them as well to be placed by the side of the Ark.

GOD is faithful and steadfast---Mankind is deceitful.

 

[waitasec]

Waitasec, Moses gathered all the camp at the foot of MT. Sinai and Spoke HIS Will audible to the people. HE wrote the Decalogue on tablets of stone. And when the people were afraid---they asked Moses to HEAR and "Whatever the LORD says, We will do". Moses relayed all the LORD had said to the people and wrote them as well to be placed by the side of the Ark.

GOD is faithful and steadfast---Mankind is deceitful.

sorry, "because the bible tells me so" isn't evidence...it's wishful thinking, iow...it's faith.

why are you dissing faith by trying to contort it into fact?
i don't get it....

 

[sincerly]

sorry, "because the bible tells me so" isn't evidence...it's wishful thinking, iow...it's faith.

why are you dissing faith by trying to contort it into fact?
i don't get it....

Fact is fact, it is you who deny that the Creator GOD is real and what the Scriptures say is a myth.

Nor will you understand the reality of it until you accept there is a Creator GOD. But that is your choice.

 

[waitasec]

Fact is fact, it is you who deny that the Creator GOD is real and what the Scriptures say is a myth.

Nor will you understand the reality of it until you accept there is a Creator GOD. But that is your choice.

define fact.


hint....it's more than a feeling.



so why are you dissing faith again?

 

[sincerly]

define fact.


hint....it's more than a feeling.



so why are you dissing faith again?

Why are you denying that GOD is real and claiming the Scriptures are myths?? note: your hint.

 

[waitasec]

Why are you denying that GOD is real and claiming the Scriptures are myths?? note: your hint.

who says i'm denying god is real? i won't commit to one or the other because i don't know nor will i pretend to.

the version of god in the scriptures is pure fantasy...
the thought that one can fathom this idea called god is like putting the unimaginable to the imaginable...why would you want to do that?

the rain speaks for itself...your god can't

 

[BobbyisStrange]

who says i'm denying god is real? i won't commit to one or the other because i don't know nor will i pretend to.

the version of god in the scriptures is pure fantasy...
the thought that one can fathom this idea called god is like putting the unimaginable to the imaginable...why would you want to do that?

the rain speaks for itself...your god can't

I had to stop trying to speak reason to this guy, you tell him where evidence is lacking and he uses that at evidence...it’s wild.

I tell him there is no historical or archeological evidence that Moses ever existed and there is absolutely no historical and archeological evidence of an exodus and he proceeds to say, well when Moses led the Israelites out of Egypt into the desert...he isn’t even making good arguments.

 

[waitasec]

I had to stop trying to speak reason to this guy, you tell him where evidence is lacking and he uses that at evidence...it’s wild.

I tell him there is no historical or archeological evidence that Moses ever existed and there is absolutely no historical and archeological evidence of an exodus and he proceeds to say, well when Moses led the Israelites out of Egypt into the desert...he isn’t even making good arguments.

maybe i'm the crazy one...i seem to enjoy
:bonk:

 

[outhouse]

I had to stop trying to speak reason to this guy, you tell him where evidence is lacking and he uses that at evidence...it’s wild.

I tell him there is no historical or archeological evidence that Moses ever existed and there is absolutely no historical and archeological evidence of an exodus and he proceeds to say, well when Moses led the Israelites out of Egypt into the desert...he isn’t even making good arguments.

not only is it a embarrassment to humanity, its the exact reason why creation is outlawed from poisoning our childrens minds in public school's.


when you get people that are really really old and set in their ways, there so close to death, they go overboard with theology to try and overcome the sin's they committed during their life. [the book has them scared of whats to come so they overcompensate]

 

[sincerly]

who says i'm denying god is real? i won't commit to one or the other because i don't know nor will i pretend to.

Hi Waitasec, You do and just did again. Notice your next attestations:

the version of god in the scriptures is pure fantasy...

and

the thought that one can fathom this idea called god is like putting the unimaginable to the imaginable...why would you want to do that?

Truth and fact---which you choose to call fantasy doesn't make it so.

the rain speaks for itself...your god can't

Waitasec, GOD evidenced HIMSELF to more tham a million people at Sinai and not only spoke, but wrote the Decalogue on tablets of stone.
Because you choose not to believe doesn't make it so. GOD speaks to you/mankind today through those scriptures, which again, you choose to call "fantasy".

John 20:29, "Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed [are] they that have not seen, and [yet] have believed. "

One doesn't have to see the rain fall to know it fell----the wetness of the surfaces reveals the fact.

 

[sincerly]

I had to stop trying to speak reason to this guy, you tell him where evidence is lacking and he uses that at evidence...it’s wild.

Hi Bobby, because you present theory for fact, why should I believe something just spontaneously came from nothing and then a chain of theoreticals followed it?? Yes, that reasoning presented by you is certainly "wild".

II tell him there is no historical or archeological evidence that Moses ever existed and there is absolutely no historical and archeological evidence of an exodus and he proceeds to say, well when Moses led the Israelites out of Egypt into the desert...he isn’t even making good arguments.

What isn't making good arguments is the denial of the fact moses did write and record events which others acknowledged through historical and archeological evidence. However, it is easy to see and understand that one has to "deny the existance of Moses and the BIBLE" to make the "theory of evolution" appear even partially true.

 

[sincerly]

not only is it a embarrassment to humanity, its the exact reason why creation is outlawed from poisoning our childrens minds in public school's.


when you get people that are really really old and set in their ways, there so close to death, they go overboard with theology to try and overcome the sin's they committed during their life. [the book has them scared of whats to come so they overcompensate]

Hi Outhouse, The "poison" is in "the theory of evolution".
Who is afraid of death? It was overcome and has to release all who have maintained that right Relationship to the GOD which you deny as a myth.
1Thess.4:13-18, "But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep(dead), that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope."