waitasec
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hmmm did you go off topic here...how very interesting
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How did Satan get to the garden of Eden?
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hmmm did you go off topic here...how very interesting
sincerly
Well-Known Member
Hi Outhouse, I have read and do understand the rules of the forum. My beliefs of a thread are just as valid to me as your's are to you. You have claimed some things which, in your opinion, are Myths. However, I have and have shown where my Beliefs are just as valid to me as your's are to you and what you refer to as a myth most definitely is NOT.
I don't find any "Rule by REF" that one has to accept any particular source which all members have to accept as Authoritative.
This thread concerning Satan and the Creation of the earth with its first created Beings happened as GOD dictated there is no derailing with information concerning that process. Just because your view of the beginning of all that exists is different, is refuted by the Scriptural account doesn't negate the creation account nor Age of the Earth.
And the OP was derailed by the claimed "myth" supposition/opposition.
Again, the "common knowledge" is according to who is claiming such "atheist" or "theist".
Also, my age has nothing to do with my beliefs or understanding---rules or otherwise. Perhaps you need to re-read the rules?
outhouse said:YEC nonsense STOP IT!
So the few people on the ark had scattered around the world in 100 years ???
you are embarrassing to deal with.
No nonsense on my part. You asked for a date and I gave one. Since the "myth" upsets your earth age calculations, you will have to accept that I am staying with my Beliefs.
"into all the world" doesn't mean "around the world." They went in all directions away from each other.
Your feeling that way is most likely due to my not acquiescing to your beliefs which I see as erroneous.
outhouse said:
I apologize, but that doesn't make sense. One can not get something from nothing,
waitasec
Veteran Member
outhouse
Atheistically
I dont care about your beliefs as long as you keep them to yourself
when you get in a public forum and denounce science, geology, biology, and a hundred other departments from a stance of ignorance, in favor of known mythology. is another story and the ignorance needs to stop.
waitasec
Veteran Member
waitasec
Veteran Member
:spit:
absolute nonsense...
don't you have to accept it as well
the irony in this circular logic is absolutely astonishing
wait ... deja vu
Thief
Rogue Theologian
:spit:
absolute nonsense...
don't you have to accept it as well
the irony in this circular logic is absolutely astonishing
wait ... deja vu
Opinion...shminion....
deja vu.... to you too.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
So...from another thread moments ago....I quote myself...
The concept that warning has no meaning without prior experience is totally stupid.....sorry.
But there's no kind way of saying it.
This world is full of warning...so too the next.
I don't need to be experienced, to know that falling from a high place will kill me....I've been told.
Children need to be told....or they will lose their balance and fall.
And most understand well enough to avoid such things....once they are told.
If warning is completely reliant upon experience....
every deadly event is fatal...and unavoidable.
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you....is a code of behavior.
It is also a fair warning.
The angels will do unto you as you did unto others.
You don't need to die to be warned.
But to live well enough...later....you have been warned.
Opinion?.....if you prefer to say it is....if saying so makes you feel better.
The concept that warning has no meaning without prior experience is totally stupid.....sorry.
But there's no kind way of saying it.
This world is full of warning...so too the next.
I don't need to be experienced, to know that falling from a high place will kill me....I've been told.
Children need to be told....or they will lose their balance and fall.
And most understand well enough to avoid such things....once they are told.
If warning is completely reliant upon experience....
every deadly event is fatal...and unavoidable.
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you....is a code of behavior.
It is also a fair warning.
The angels will do unto you as you did unto others.
You don't need to die to be warned.
But to live well enough...later....you have been warned.
Opinion?.....if you prefer to say it is....if saying so makes you feel better.
sincerly
Well-Known Member
Outhouse, this is a debate forum----therefore, my comments are as valid for expressing as yours.
And I see nothing that has been found to make me believe that ALL that I see about me of Mineral, vegetable, or animal was spontaneously produced from nothing without there being a "Creator". HIM I acknowledge.
Since you choose to stay "ignorant" of that Creator GOD----so be it.
sincerly
Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by sincerly
No nonsense on my part. You asked for a date and I gave one. Since the "myth" upsets your earth age calculations, you will have to accept that I am staying with my Beliefs.
Yes, your posts are just that.
BTW, Waitasec, yes, I answered questions which were off-topic---just as this one is.
No nonsense on my part. You asked for a date and I gave one. Since the "myth" upsets your earth age calculations, you will have to accept that I am staying with my Beliefs.
:spit:
absolute nonsense...
don't you have to accept it as well
the irony in this circular logic is absolutely astonishing
wait ... deja vu
Yes, your posts are just that.
BTW, Waitasec, yes, I answered questions which were off-topic---just as this one is.
The word Satan is not found in Genesis. In fact it is not found in the whole of the Pentateuch. The first use of the word is in 1Ch 21:1 where it means the opponent or the adversary. So:
Did God put Satan in the garden?
No. But we infer that the serpent is Eden is Satan from reading the passage like Rev 12:9 where Satan is also referred to as serpent and devil. However, contextual relations abound in the bible. Satan was in heaven with God before He came to earth. Notice:
Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. This is how Satan ended up in Eden.
Did God know what would happen?
Yes. But God had already created man before sin entered His creation so the best He could do was warn man about his choices before he confronted the adversary. He couldn't get man into taking sides in the conflict that was not properly his.
Yes Satan will always mix truth with lies. His truths are so subtle. He knows more about God than we do or even Adam did. So He will tell 99% truth and 1% lie just to get one to his side.
sincerly
Well-Known Member
Outhouse, The NT was, also, written by Jews. The Bible(OT and NT) is one accounting of GOD and HIS leading of peoples who Believe and Follow HIS instructions, laws, and Commandments. That "tie" is, indeed, present and true.
Your doubting doesn't make it NOT so.
John was the writer of Revelation and was a prisoner exiled by Rome for his "testimony of Jesus Christ".
The Roman Religion was never a part of "Judaism".
The "Everlasting Gospel" is for all of mankind and is revealed from Genesis to Revelation.
waitasec
Veteran Member
as your wishful thinking doesn't make it so either....
sincerly
Well-Known Member
Neither do your erroneous claims. The Scriptures speak for themselves.
waitasec
Veteran Member
BobbyisStrange
The Adversary
No, this is false...Numbers 22:22 - vai·yi·char-af e·lo·him ki-ho·v·lech hu vai·yit·ya·tzev mal·'ach ha·shem bad·de·rech le·sa·tan lov ve·hu ro·chev al-a·to·nov u·she·nei ne·'a·rav im·mov.
Numbers 22:22 - And God's anger was kindled because he went: and the angel of the LORD stood in the way for an adversary against him. Now he was riding upon his ***, and his two servants were with him.
In the KJV it was translated at adversary, which is proper...however your statement is false...le satan is mentioned in the pentatuech.
outhouse
Atheistically
the only problem is satan is a mistranslation, if you think it means a being like the devil.
god sends down a angel to be a adversary to balaam and to try and stop him.
this was not, gods adversary.
adversary/satan was a common verb and not a being like the devil, it was just another name for adversary in this case.
a simple word
