BobbyisStrange
The Adversary
This is how I view any translation of The Satan in the Old Testament...It is obvious he isnt the figure everyone paints him as.
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How did Satan get to the garden of Eden?
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This is how I view any translation of The Satan in the Old Testament...It is obvious he isnt the figure everyone paints him as.
Orias
Left Hand Path
outhouse
Atheistically
were talking about a word that evolved into a red devil with a pitchfork over a thousand years.
if you really want to describe ha-satan its best to state a time period in which your drawing from because different times had different views.
you were correcty that the word satan was used. But the concept like the devil or a evil entity, well that didnt exist when they wrote the adam and eve garden story, which was an evolution in literature to begin with.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
Lengthy thread....
The garden event covers more territory than the garden itself.
If participants here are going to bang about the 'terms' of language and history...this thread will never 'gel'.
The garden of Eden is an event of God manipulating His creation.
He is God...He gets to do that.
Man is then caught between life and death.
Did the event occur....I say...yeah.
Someone had to be first in the presence of God....that would be Adam.
Did someone attempt to interfere?...I say yeah....
that would be God's Adversary.
The garden event covers more territory than the garden itself.
If participants here are going to bang about the 'terms' of language and history...this thread will never 'gel'.
The garden of Eden is an event of God manipulating His creation.
He is God...He gets to do that.
Man is then caught between life and death.
Did the event occur....I say...yeah.
Someone had to be first in the presence of God....that would be Adam.
Did someone attempt to interfere?...I say yeah....
that would be God's Adversary.
BobbyisStrange
The Adversary
I can agree with this.
sincerly
Well-Known Member
One might as well believe that false response as those others which are Contrary to the Scriptures.(Genesis to Revelation).
As a mother i would never tell my child "dont touch this butcher knife" because i know that they would almost immediately touch the knife and get hurt. Same is true in the garden if the serpent hadnt been in the garden would they still have eaten the fruit? Definately because we are humans made to love God and without a choice love is not possible. So does it matter what roads humankind took to get here we would have ended up in the same place. Dont you think that if there was another solution for us God would have done it instead of having Christ die for us?
waitasec
Veteran Member
yes .
had he created a&e with knowledge of good and evil instead of prohibiting it then maybe we would have avoided needless suffering.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
A self contained contradiction.
Man is born with no ability to help himself.
This came of our existence as a species prior to the garden.
Animals have no sense of good and evil.
Man was created as such... Day six.
God wanted something more and the garden event altered the body and mind of a chosen specimen.
That specimen was then cloned and the pair released from the experiment.
Instilling knowledge at birth is mind control....and has limits.
No free thinking.... no freewill.
The garden event was not the source of Man's suffering.
As an animal...all suffer likewise.....as animals.
The garden event was not intended to relieve Man's suffering.
It was intended to bring the possibility of spiritual continuance.
Without the garden event....all perish as animal.
waitasec
Veteran Member
no not really..adam wasn't created as a baby.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
waitasec
Veteran Member
i have and for me, it fails.
especially this:
what the heck is that?
it takes us back to what i said before.
god originally wanted us to remain ignorant of the moral consequences of our actions.
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Thief
Rogue Theologian
I'm not backing up...you are.
Humans are not designed to be ignorant.
Pleading ignorance when you know better won't work.
outhouse
Atheistically
waitasec
Veteran Member
we have never been designed
you dont have a source for that mythology do you?
:spit:
his religious opinion is what matters...forget reason and logic...
god doesn't work in that realm, go figure
waitasec
Veteran Member
according to your bedtime story they were
Thief
Rogue Theologian
Nay...go back and read it again.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
we have never been designed
you dont have a source for that mythology do you?
Try looking in the mirror.
That thing you walk in has only one outstanding ability.
You are here to learn all you can....you are built that way.
Then back to God you go.
waitasec
Veteran Member
can support your claim now can you.
i can support mine with:
2:16 ...You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.