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How did Satan get to the garden of Eden?

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Oryonder

Active Member
muhammad_isa said:
116 And when We said unto the angels: Fall prostrate before Adam, they fell prostrate (all) save Iblis;
he refused.

117 Therefor we said: O Adam! This is an enemy unto thee and unto thy wife, so let him not drive you
both out of the Garden so that thou come to toil.

118 It is (vouchsafed) unto thee that thou hungerest not therein nor art naked,

119 And that thou thirstest not therein nor art exposed to the sun's heat.

120 But the devil whispered to him, saying: O Adam! Shall I show thee the tree of immortality and
power that wasteth not away ?

121 Then they twain ate thereof, so that their shame became apparent unto them, and they began to
hide by heaping on themselves some of the leaves of the Garden. And Adam disobeyed his Lord, so
went astray.

122 Then his Lord chose him, and relented toward him, and guided him.

123 He said: Go down hence, both of you, one of you a foe unto the other. But when there come unto
you from Me a guidance, then whoso followeth My guidance, he will not go astray nor come to grief.

124 But he who turneth away from remembrance of Me, his will be a narrow life, and I shall bring him
blind to the assembly on the Day of Resurrection.

125 He will say: My Lord! Wherefor hast Thou gathered me (hither) blind, when I was wont to see ?

126 He will say: So (it must be). Our revelations came unto thee but thou didst forget them. In like
manner thou art forgotten this Day.
Al Qur'an - Ta ha

Nay .. this is the truth from our Lord! satan is indeed a cunning enemy
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Cunning enough to have invented the Qur'an ?
 
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Oryonder

Active Member
sincerly said:
Waitasec, Moses gathered all the camp at the foot of MT. Sinai and Spoke HIS Will audible to the people. HE wrote the Decalogue on tablets of stone. And when the people were afraid---they asked Moses to HEAR and "Whatever the LORD says, We will do". Moses relayed all the LORD had said to the people and wrote them as well to be placed by the side of the Ark.

GOD is faithful and steadfast---Mankind is deceitful.
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Im glad you brought this story up. It does not seem that the people Moses was leading thought too much of Moses's God.

Moses leaves for a few days and right away Aaron, the brother of Moses, gets the poeple to give him their jewlery and Gold and makes a Golden Calf (Symbolic of El and/or his consort Asherah).

Not even Moses's own brother thought much of Moses's God apparently.

Considering these people supposedly saw Moses's God part the red sea and so forth .. you would think that at least his own brother would believe in this God and so would the rest of the people.

Moses comes down from the mountain and is not happy. Turns the Calf into powder and makes the children drink it.

Moses then bids the people choose sides (with "the Lord" or against). 3000 people chose against so Moses has them killed.

Now if 3000 poeple who actually saw the miracles of Yahweh first hand did not believe .. it is highly unlikely that these things really happened and that it was the hand of the editor's who wrote the story down some 1000 years later that were "adding lib" so to speak.

How the story likely went is that Moses left out of Egypt after the Egyptians rebelled against Akhenaten (founder of monotheism).

Moses .. being close to the royal family as we are told, was probably a leader of that cult.

When the people rebelled against Akhenaten many folks adhering to the cult of Monotheism had to get out quick.

Moses was likely their "military" and spiritual leader. When the people rebelled against him he did what a good military leader does and crushed the rebellion within the ranks quickly and brutally .. killing 3000.
 
outhouse

outhouse

Atheistically
Oryonder said:
Im glad you brought this story up. It does not seem that the people Moses was leading thought too much of Moses's God.

Moses leaves for a few days and right away Aaron, the brother of Moses, gets the poeple to give him their jewlery and Gold and makes a Golden Calf (Symbolic of El and/or his consort Asherah).

Not even Moses's own brother thought much of Moses's God apparently.

Considering these people supposedly saw Moses's God part the red sea and so forth .. you would think that at least his own brother would believe in this God and so would the rest of the people.

Moses comes down from the mountain and is not happy. Turns the Calf into powder and makes the children drink it.

Moses then bids the people choose sides (with "the Lord" or against). 3000 people chose against so Moses has them killed.

Now if 3000 poeple who actually saw the miracles of Yahweh first hand did not believe .. it is highly unlikely that these things really happened and that it was the hand of the editor's who wrote the story down some 1000 years later that were "adding lib" so to speak.

How the story likely went is that Moses left out of Egypt after the Egyptians rebelled against Akhenaten (founder of monotheism).

Moses .. being close to the royal family as we are told, was probably a leader of that cult.

When the people rebelled against Akhenaten many folks adhering to the cult of Monotheism had to get out quick.

Moses was likely their "military" and spiritual leader. When the people rebelled against him he did what a good military leader does and crushed the rebellion within the ranks quickly and brutally .. killing 3000.
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that is all mythology and exist only in literature, and off topic to a magical talking snake in a tree
 
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Oryonder

Active Member
outhouse said:
the parting of the sea, could not happen outside of mythology. Ever.
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The parting of the Sea, whether possible or not, did not happen.

There is no way the brother of Moses, and the rest of the Israelites, would be turning to another God if they had witnesses such an event.

Even if we accept this as a slim possibility (they felt lost without Moses their fearless leader and conduit to God)

There is zero chance that once Moses returned 3000 people would go against (the conduit to God).

All the evidence that the Bible story never happened is right there in the Bible story.
 
BobbyisStrange

BobbyisStrange

The Adversary
Thief said:
The serpent is a metaphor.....the parting of the sea might have occurred.
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Again, you realize that Moses most likely never existed right? That there is absolutely no evidence of a great Exodus or thousands of people that wondered a desert for 40 years? You know that right?
 
outhouse

outhouse

Atheistically
BobbyisStrange said:
Again, you realize that Moses most likely never existed right? That there is absolutely no evidence of a great Exodus or thousands of people that wondered a desert for 40 years? You know that right?
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he has been told this many many times and refuses the knowledge
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
BobbyisStrange said:
Again, you realize that Moses most likely never existed right? That there is absolutely no evidence of a great Exodus or thousands of people that wondered a desert for 40 years? You know that right?
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And your podium of disbelief will help you stand by that?

You do realize a lack of faith does not lend you the upper hand in theology.
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Oryonder said:
There is a difference between a lack of faith and completely dismissing logic and objective reality, history, archaeology, geology, sociology and so on.
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And which of the listed items is your absolute beyond fault?
 
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