How did Satan get to the garden of Eden?

[waitasec]

Leap frogging doesn't work with me.
Stay on point...if you can.

Back to the serpent in the garden.

again with the :ignore: tick of yours... how convenient for you...
so what was that question you asked again?

So, a sound mind and heart that believes in God....is less than yours?

there is something very flawed in this statement, very very flawed.

 

[Thief]

again with the :ignore: tick of yours... how convenient for you...
so what that question you asked again?



there is something very flawed in this statement, very very flawed.

More topic please....

 

[waitasec]

More topic please....

were you not leap frogging?


:yes:


up until....

 

[Thief]

were you not leap frogging?


:yes:


up until....

Try using some portion of the topic title in your next post.

 

[Oryonder]

And which of the listed items is your absolute beyond fault?

There are no absolutes and nothing beyond fault .. even in hard science. Perhaps in some other universe 1 + 1 = 3, but not in this universe and in this reality.

What ever the flaws in science and logic .. these are orders of magnitude less than the flaws in the Bible such that any comparison of the two is pointless.

 

[Thief]

There are no absolutes and nothing beyond fault .. even in hard science. Perhaps in some other universe 1 + 1 = 3, but not in this universe and in this reality.

What ever the flaws in science and logic .. these are orders of magnitude less than the flaws in the Bible such that any comparison of the two is pointless.

So with no absolute on your part....and assuming none on mine....
theological discussions are never ending.
No line can be drawn.

Are you sure?

 

[Oryonder]

So with no absolute on your part....and assuming none on mine....
theological discussions are never ending.
No line can be drawn.

Are you sure?

Do you have a point to make or would you like to continue to wander along in the existentialist flower patch.

 

[waitasec]

Try using some portion of the topic title in your next post.

come on now thief, you were playing along in the leap frogging olympic event...
admit it and you'll gain some respect for fessing up

 

[Thief]

come on now thief, you were playing along in the leap frogging olympic event...
admit it and you'll gain some respect for fessing up

No confessions to make on my part.

Try using the topic thread title on some way.

 

[waitasec]

No confessions to make on my part.

Try using the topic thread title on some way.

tsk tsk tsk

 

[Thief]

tsk tsk tsk

hiss...hiss...hiss....

Back to topic now?

 

[waitasec]

hiss...hiss...hiss....

Back to topic now?

hop hop hop

 

[sincerly]

Im glad you brought this story up. It does not seem that the people Moses was leading thought too much of Moses's God.

It is estimated that there were more than a million persons who were lead out of Egypt. And that was a mixed multitude---Egyptians and possibly others who choose to believe GOD after the plagues.

Moses leaves for a few days and right away Aaron, the brother of Moses, gets the poeple to give him their jewlery and Gold and makes a Golden Calf (Symbolic of El and/or his consort Asherah).

There was no time frame in which MOSES was to return. The Creator GOD was instructing Moses in the ways which mankind was to live in relationship to GOD and one's fellow being. and Moses was recording the same. From day one of those forty, the people was afraid of death in the presence of the Almighty GOD. This was seen in the telling Moses for him to meet with GOD and you tell us--"All the lord says, we will do."
Thirty-nine days later some of the doubter's faith wavered and failed.

Not even Moses's own brother thought much of Moses' God apparently.

God didn't think much of those "stiff-necked people".
The "apparently" isn't a valid answer---only your opinion. Aaron did submit to those rebellion persons wishes.

Considering these people supposedly saw Moses's God part the red sea and so forth .. you would think that at least his own brother would believe in this God and so would the rest of the people.

By the same reasoning, Adam was presented with a mate---from himself---and failed to believe GOD.
It hasn't changed in 6000 years. It is your opinion which counts----NOT what GOD said nor did. That is still the lie which has been from the first doubt which entered into a created beings mind.

Moses comes down from the mountain and is not happy. Turns the Calf into powder and makes the children drink it.

Moses then bids the people choose sides (with "the Lord" or against). 3000 people chose against so Moses has them killed.

Now if 3000 poeple who actually saw the miracles of Yahweh first hand did not believe .. it is highly unlikely that these things really happened and that it was the hand of the editor's who wrote the story down some 1000 years later that were "adding lib" so to speak.

Since over a 1,000,000 persons were at the foot of Sinai, 3000 people is a few, but a dangerous group/mob.

How the story likely went is that Moses left out of Egypt after the Egyptians rebelled against Akhenaten (founder of monotheism).

Moses .. being close to the royal family as we are told, was probably a leader of that cult.

When the people rebelled against Akhenaten many folks adhering to the cult of Monotheism had to get out quick.

Moses was likely their "military" and spiritual leader. When the people rebelled against him he did what a good military leader does and crushed the rebellion within the ranks quickly and brutally .. killing 3000.

All with understanding, can easily see the results of a rebellious mind---then(Garden and Sinai) and today.

 

[Oryonder]

It is estimated that there were more than a million persons who were lead out of Egypt. And that was a mixed multitude---Egyptians and possibly others who choose to believe GOD after the plagues.

ROFL by who ?

There was no time frame in which MOSES was to return. The Creator GOD was instructing Moses in the ways which mankind was to live in relationship to GOD and one's fellow being. and Moses was recording the same. From day one of those forty, the people was afraid of death in the presence of the Almighty GOD. This was seen in the telling Moses for him to meet with GOD and you tell us--"All the lord says, we will do."
Thirty-nine days later some of the doubter's faith wavered and failed.

Yeah .. so afraid the found another God with the help of Aaron . .brother of Moses.

El was the God of Abraham . it makes sense that the Israelites would go back to that God.

By the same reasoning, Adam was presented with a mate---from himself---and failed to believe GOD

Ya .. Adam was created by Enlil/ also known as Ellil or "El" for short.

You can read the Sumerian creation stoy online. Thats where the name comes from .. Adamu .. first humans ceated by the Gods

It hasn't changed in 6000 years. .

Are you a creationist ?

Since over a 1,000,000 persons were at the foot of Sinai, 3000 people is a few, but a dangerous group/mob.

This is funny stuff .. 1 million this is big humor for anyone who has studies ancient history.

 

[sincerly]

It is estimated that there were more than a million persons who were lead out of Egypt.

ROFL by who ?

70 persons went into Egypt and 430 years late came out. Try doubling that original 70 every year or 15 years for the 430 years the Israelites were in Egypt.

Yeah .. so afraid the found another God with the help of Aaron . .brother of Moses.

How long did they (those doubters of GOD) live to enjoy their "another god"???

El was the God of Abraham . it makes sense that the Israelites would go back to that God.

That was the same GOD who spoke to them from Sinai. And Abraham knew GOD as
'elohiym. GOD told MOSES Ex.6:3, "And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by [the name of] God(EL) Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH(Lord) was I not known to them."

Ya .. Adam was created by Enlil/ also known as Ellil or "El" for short.

You can read the Sumerian creation stoy online. Thats where the name comes from .. Adamu .. first humans ceated by the Gods

The Sumerians were descendants of those eight who got off the ARK and were dispersed from the tower of Babel.------ They received their "story" from that ADAM who the Creator GOD(GOD the Father; GOD the SON; and the Holy Spirit) made from the dust of the ground.

This is funny stuff .. 1 million this is big humor for anyone who has studies ancient history.

How "doublings" did you complete before you reached 1,000,000??
The "father of lies" deals in "big humor"/the twisting of truth/facts.

 

[outhouse]

70 persons went into Egypt and 430 years late came out. Try doubling that original 70 every year or 15 years for the 430 years the Israelites were in Egypt.

Israelites were never in Egypt as a enslaved race.

and you have ZERO proof of such.



as a matter of fact, the head archeologist in Egypt say there is zero evidence for this, no records from a culture that recorded everything, from Israeli chief archeologist who also claim this never happened.

what we do know is that this was created in literature only.


Most Israelites were Canaanite in origin, with Mesopotamian origins coming in next.

The Sumerians were descendants of those eight who got off the ARK and were dispersed from the tower of Babel.------ They received their "story" from that ADAM who the Creator GOD(GOD the Father; GOD the SON; and the Holy Spirit) made from the dust of the ground.

This is also all false, you are seriously embarrassing yourself spouting mythology as actual known history.

 

[sincerly]

Israelites were never in Egypt as a enslaved race.

and you have ZERO proof of such.

as a matter of fact, the head archeologist in Egypt say there is zero evidence for this, no records from a culture that recorded everything, from Israeli chief archeologist who also claim this never happened.

what we do know is that this was created in literature only.

Most Israelites were Canaanite in origin, with Mesopotamian origins coming in next.

This is also all false, you are seriously embarrassing yourself spouting mythology as actual known history.

As Paul stated, "I'm not ashamed of the (everlasting) Gospel"; nor embarassed by the fact that Moses and those Israelites left Chronicaled records long before your sources claim their "origins" occured.

The Bible is an embarassment to you by exposing your "myths"/beliefs.

 

[outhouse]

As Paul stated, "I'm not ashamed of the (everlasting) Gospel"; nor embarassed by the fact that Moses and those Israelites left Chronicaled records long before your sources claim their "origins" occured.

The Bible is an embarassment to you by exposing your "myths"/beliefs.

thats not a rebuttle to what I stated


I dont have myths or beliefs, I have known history that has actually has credibility

 

[Thief]

So..a hundred pages into a theological discussion....
And the old 'myth and prove it' jargon is still hanging about.

Faith needs no proving.

If you think it's all a myth...why not go curl up with you history book?
Lots of comfort there not doubt.

Back to topic....
God created Man.
God made a garden and altered the nature and course of Man.
The serpent represents an effort to interfere.

If you're not here to learn about it.....you're trolling...
are you not?

 

[outhouse]

So..a hundred pages into a theological discussion....
And the old 'myth and prove it' jargon is still hanging about.

Faith needs no proving.

If you think it's all a myth...why not go curl up with you history book?
Lots of comfort there not doubt.

Back to topic....
God created Man.
God made a garden and altered the nature and course of Man.
The serpent represents an effort to interfere.

If you're not here to learn about it.....you're trolling...
are you not?

ITS ALL FALSE

and as of yet there is nothing to indicate and deity of any kind created anything let alone man.


one doesnt have faith in history and facts, and logic and reality!



in fact its safe to say one is trolling a literal translation of allegory