How did the Egyptians build the pyramids?

[cladking]

https://www.thebritishacademy.ac.uk/blog/what-is-egyptology/
Egyptology is not a single discipline, but a branch of 'Area Studies'. Egyptologists study all the aspects of ancient Egypt that they can, across periods from about 7,000 BC to the early middle ages. They work from many perspectives, using approaches and methods ranging all the way from literary theory in the humanities to hard sciences in the physics of radiocarbon dating.

"Knowledge of ancient Egyptian language and texts was lost from around 400 AD until the decipherment of the hieroglyphic script, which was announced by Jean-François Champollion at a meeting of the Académie des Inscriptions in Paris on 27 September 1822.

More nonsense. There is absolutely no evidence that AL was understood at any point at all after 2000 BC. This is an oblique reference to Horapollo whom is dismissed by Egyptology. He was the last Egyptian priest and obviously had some knowledge of glyphs and ancient ideas but Egyptology doesn't agree. The irony is Horapollo actually said water sprayed out of the earth!!!

Ancient Language wasn't translatable but the priests after the tower of babel passed down what they knew to future priests.

Use common sense here. If it could be translated then where are the copies of ancient translations. Where is our history?

 

[cladking]

Please explain this "History of Granite" you are referring to.

It was YOUR link.

Do you even read your own posts?

 

[shunyadragon]

This is responding to the point. Thank you.

I accept Evolution as a science. But like any science it can be wrong and in my scientific opinion it IS wrong.

Good thing you referred to you "opinion," and not science, because it is a matter of fact that you have repeatedly rejected the sciences of evolution. In one post upu based it on the belief that Egyptians did not believe in evolution

Egyptology is NOT a science at all. They not only fail to gather evidence or perform experiment but when data are found it is not allowed to be published at all.

Many experiments are done by Egyptologists using baasic sciences like archeology asrefrences and you stoically deny it based on your ancientmythological agenda.

Infrared imaging was understood in principle back in the mid-19th century. Primitive processes were available before the end of that century. By 1925 you could walk into a drug store in Cairo Egypt and buy infrared film for a camera. This was never done on the pyramids because Egyptology is no science at all. I campaigned for years to get Egyptology to point a camera at it which they finally did in 2015 and found exactly what I predicted. Scalding hot stones.

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I knew exactly where they would be because I understand Ancient Language. Despite this being nearly ten years later not even Egyptologists have been allowed to see most of this data. Hawass released the above photo because he didn't understand the implications and probably didn't know I had predicted it. He thought he could spur tourism or use it in his obsession with finding more gold. He issued an urgent plea for Egyptologists to offer hypotheses as to its cause. But never contacted me even after he knew I predicted it.

Any field that takes a century and a half to employ the tools of science is not a science at all. When they then don't allow even Peers to see that data they are not even an organized pseudoscience.

Yes!!! They are not a science which is why most of what you have posted in this thread are not even true or not consensus opinion.

The above is confusing, and all I see, which is not clear, that Egyptians heated stone to assist in breaking them, This is an obvious method found in all cultures, and accepted by archeologists and Egyptologists.

My question id 'What is the "history of granite?"

 

[cladking]

No word games and I have responded to every point of your posts.

You never replied to my first point or any point since.

"The word "ramp" isn't even attested from the great pyramid building age". If you ever reply to this there have been hundreds of points since you just brushed aside. You et al do the same thing in every Evolution thread.

 

[cladking]

All ancient cultures used very basic physic principles such as inclined plan (ramps), lever, simple pulley, over coming friction with lubricants like wet sand and olive oil,

You need to show this. You are just making a claim.

I have shown massive evidence that this is not true and you repeat nonsense from Egyptologists.

 

[cladking]

You still deny the physical evidence of the use of ramps in the quarry, Meidum pyramid, and the Giza pyramid. you keep with stoic persistence rejecting actual physical evidence.

NO! If you had responded to my point I would have told you there was an inclined plane leading out of both sides of the quarry. Indeed, I implied as much in the post where I said where the funiculars operated. An inclined plane does not prove stinky footed bumpkins dragged stones. It is not even indicative of it.

These surfaces were placement for linear funiculars as I have shown again and again and you ignore.

 

[cladking]

Good thing you referred to you "opinion," and not science,

And I have said more times than I can count is EVERYTHING IS OPINION.

Do you want me to rephrase that previous sentence as;

In my opinion I have said more times than I can count that in my opinion EVERYTHING IS OPINION... ...in my opinion of course.

I state thing tautologically so anyone who wants to follow my train of thought can.

 

[cladking]

you keep with stoic persistence rejecting actual physical evidence.

You are not posting physical evidence. You are posting trip that has sprung upon the net because Egyptology does no science.

I've already told you this and you didn't respond. Most of what's on the net isn't true and it requires a lot of research to determine what is. There are still basic facts 9i don't know because search engines don't work any better than Egyptology.

 

[cladking]

Many experiments are done by Egyptologists using baasic sciences like archeology asrefrences and you stoically deny it based on your ancientmythological agenda.

Name one!

 

[cladking]

The above is confusing, and all I see, which is not clear, that Egyptians heated stone to assist in breaking them, This is an obvious method found in all cultures, and accepted by archeologists and Egyptologists.

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Those stones are hot today.

I have no clue what you're talking about or what your question or point is.

The stones are hot because there is a massive heat sink under the NE corner exactly as I predicted and shown by the hot stones. This coming April these exact same stones will be ice cold unless Hawass plugged up the conduit for obfuscation.

 

[shunyadragon]

"Knowledge of ancient Egyptian language and texts was lost from around 400 AD until the decipherment of the hieroglyphic script, which was announced by Jean-François Champollion at a meeting of the Académie des Inscriptions in Paris on 27 September 1822.

More nonsense. There is absolutely no evidence that AL was understood at any point at all after 2000 BC. This is an oblique reference to Horapollo whom is dismissed by Egyptology. He was the last Egyptian priest and obviously had some knowledge of glyphs and ancient ideas but Egyptology doesn't agree. The irony is Horapollo actually said water sprayed out of the earth!!!

Ancient Language wasn't translatable but the priests after the tower of babel passed down what they knew to future priests.

The tower of Babe never existed. Languages both spoken and written evolved over time and did not appear suddenly as previously documented by references,

The hieroglyphics are well translated today based on research and discoveries no problem,

Use common sense here. If it could be translated then where are the copies of ancient translations. Where is our history?

Extensive research and discoveries by archeology and Egyptology beginning with the discovery of the Rossetta Stone

 

[wellwisher]

Part of my theory for building the pyramids was they first built a road between the source of the stones and the construction site. This road was composed of the very stones that would be used to build the pyramids. Moving stones over sand would be harder to do, whole a stone road would make life easy. Keeping the stones for the road, tight and level, made for less friction; stone pre-fabrication. As you build the stone road from the source of stones, you can use the built part of the road, to haul the next batch of stones to extend the road, toward the construction site.

Lastly, after the road is finished, the road is disassembled, in the same order it was built. The largest stones, that created the staging area at the quarry, for the road, becomes the foundation stones of the pyramid. As the road gets shorter and shorter, away from the quarry, the pyramid is rising. The road was gone when they finished.

The invention of the wheel, was about 4000BC, and may have been used on the road.

 

[cladking]

Part of my theory for building the pyramids was they first built a road between the source of the stones and the construction site. This road was composed of the very stones that would be used to build the pyramids. Moving stones over sand would be harder to do, whole a stone road would make life easy. Keeping the stones for the road, tight and level, made for less friction; stone pre-fabrication. As you build the stone road from the source of stones, you can use the built part of the road, to haul the next batch of stones to extend the road, toward the construction site.

Lastly, after the road is finished, the road is disassembled, in the same order it was built. The largest stones, that created the staging area at the quarry, for the road, becomes the foundation stones of the pyramid. As the road gets shorter and shorter, away from the quarry, the pyramid is rising. The road was gone when they finished.

The invention of the wheel, was about 4000BC, and may have been used on the road.

You're definitely on the right track.

I'll have time later to actually respond to your points whether I agree or not rather than playing word games and ignoring everything.

 

[shunyadragon]

Those stones are hot today.

Only from the heat of the sun and the environment. There is absolutely no other source of heat today. The heat of the original heting of stones to break them thousands of years ago is long gone. It is just plain simple physics.

There is het generated by the friction due to expansion and contraction of the pyramids causing heat spots. This aalso true of modern massive structures. Based on physical measurements science acknowledges the heat spots in the pyramids.

I have no clue what you're talking about or what your question or point is.

The stones are hot because there is a massive heat sink under the NE corner exactly as I predicted and shown by the hot stones. This coming April these exact same stones will be ice cold unless Hawass plugged up the conduit for obfuscation.

Again only the heat from the today's environment, and the friction due to expansion and contraction of the pyramids. The stones will heat up due to exposure from the sun. Yes the pyramids are a huge heat sink.

Name one!

it show chemical changes that occurred when they were heated to assist in breaking.

https://gizamedia.rc.fas.harvard.edu/documents/klemm-klemm_stones_gizeh.pdf

Detailed references will, however, be made to the more recent papers of a research group of the Ain Shams University, Cairo and of the American Research Centre in Egypt (ARCE), as they deal with questions directly concerning the provenance of the pyramids' building stones. First a short historical overview: The first systematic attempt to stratigraphically subdivide the Gizeh plateau was made by VON ZlTTEL, who was mainly concerned with the classification of the Eocene fossil groups occurring there 5 2 . In his handbook on the regional geology of Egypt, BLANKENHORN5 3 dealt intensively with the geology of the Gizeh plateau. Cuvillier revised the Egyptian nummulites and proposed new stratigraphic divisions 5 4 . HUME, in contrast, did not extensively discuss the Gizeh plateau in his first volume of the "Geology of Egypt" 5 5 . Interesting geological observations were given by WAGNER5 6 . KNETSC H also contributed to the geological situation around the Gizeh area 5 7 . A detailed stratigraphic division was given by SAID5 8 , which he later modified5 9 . Detailed contributions to the geology of the Gizeh plateau were given by STROUGO together with the group from the Ain Shams University6 0 . They presented a well-differentiated stratigraphic division, which YEHIA 6 1 correlated convincingly with the Eocene limestone sequences of the Eastern Desert south of Cairo. Concerning the building stones, the tectonic details and the special geological map given by YEHIA are of special interest. In his map, geological details and specifications are marked, which must have been apparent to the builders of the pyramids, as not only the exact layout of the pyramids but also the arrangement of the quarry sites were carefully chosen, integrating these aspects into the architectural conception

Again: What is this "History of Granite' you mentioned?

 

[shunyadragon]

Part of my theory for building the pyramids was they first built a road between the source of the stones and the construction site. This road was composed of the very stones that would be used to build the pyramids. Moving stones over sand would be harder to do, whole a stone road would make life easy. Keeping the stones for the road, tight and level, made for less friction; stone pre-fabrication. As you build the stone road from the source of stones, you can use the built part of the road, to haul the next batch of stones to extend the road, toward the construction site.

Lastly, after the road is finished, the road is disassembled, in the same order it was built. The largest stones, that created the staging area at the quarry, for the road, becomes the foundation stones of the pyramid. As the road gets shorter and shorter, away from the quarry, the pyramid is rising. The road was gone when they finished.

The invention of the wheel, was about 4000BC, and may have been used on the road.

Yes partly true, but there is a lot of evidence that boats were used and a canal (old river channel) to the pyramid site was used. Timbers were used to as rollers, The primitive wheels were not strong enough to move stones.

 

[shunyadragon]

And I have said more times than I can count is EVERYTHING IS OPINION.

Do you want me to rephrase that previous sentence as;

In my opinion I have said more times than I can count that in my opinion EVERYTHING IS OPINION... ...in my opinion of course.

I state thing tautologically so anyone who wants to follow my train of thought can.

You need a basic reeducation in English, The science behind the physical evidence of the nature and construction of the pyramids, which you deny, is not opinion. You reject and manipulate the physical evidence to fit your agenda and opinion.
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[shunyadragon]

You need to show this. You are just making a claim.

I have shown massive evidence that this is not true and you repeat nonsense from Egyptologists.

No scientific sources or evidence provided that support your conclusions.

 

[shunyadragon]

You need to show this. You are just making a claim.

Evolutionary Engineering: Simple Machines—Pyramids to Skyscrapers - Unit

Simple machines are devices with few or no moving parts that make work easier, and which people have used to provide mechanical advantage for thousands of years. Students learn about the wedge, wheel and axle, lever, inclined plane, screw and pulley in the context of the construction of a...

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Summary​

Simple machines are devices with few or no moving parts that make work easier, and which people have used to provide mechanical advantage for thousands of years. Students learn about the wedge, wheel and axle, lever, inclined plane, screw and pulley in the context of the construction of a pyramid, gaining insights into tools that have been used since ancient times and are still important today. Through numerous hands-on activities, students imagine themselves as ancient engineers building a pyramid. Student teams evaluate and select a construction site, design a pyramid, perform materials calculations, test a variety of cutting wedges on different materials, design a small-scale cart/lever transport system to convey building materials, experiment with the angle of inclination and pull force on an inclined plane, see how a pulley can change the direction of force, and learn the differences between fixed, movable and combined pulleys. While learning the steps of the engineering design process, students practice teamwork, creativity and problem solving.This engineering curriculum aligns to Next Generation Science Standards (NGSS).

Engineering Connection​

Engineers are experts at understanding the mechanical advantages gained by the use of simple machines. In so many everyday applications—the design of structures, machines, products and tools—simple machines make our lives and work easier. The same physical principles and mechanical advantages of simple machines used by ancient engineers to build pyramids are exploited by today's engineers to construct modern structures such as houses, bridges and skyscrapers. Simple machines and combinations of simple machines are also important and pervasive in our modern world in the form of common devices used by everyone—wheelbarrows, bicycles, crowbars, shovels, highway ramps, jackhammers, zippers, screws, jar lids, car jack, window blind controls, rock climbing gear, gym equipment, elevators, hand truck/dolly. These complex modern devices perform much work for very little power. The student pyramid building experience parallels the modern-day engineering design and construction process, which employs the engineering design process, teamwork, creativity and problem solving.

 

[shunyadragon]

You never replied to my first point or any point since.

"The word "ramp" isn't even attested from the great pyramid building age". If you ever reply to this there have been hundreds of points since you just brushed aside. You et al do the same thing in every Evolution thread.

I have responded. The use of the ramp is a physical object objectively documented in the use in the quarry, Meidum pyramid and the Giza pyramid, Of course, ramp is an English word not a word in Egyptian, nonetheless.

ramp in ancient egyptian language translation - Google Search

In Ancient Egyptian, the closest translation for "ramp" would be "sḍt" (pronounced "sedt"), which is a hieroglyphic symbol depicting a sloping incline, often used in context with construction and movement of heavy objects like stones for building pyramids.

Key points about "sḍt":

• Meaning: Primarily refers to a "ramp" or "inclined plane".
  
  
  
• Hieroglyph: The symbol looks like a slightly angled line, representing the slope of a ramp.
  
  
  
• Usage: When interpreting ancient Egyptian texts related to construction projects, "sḍt" would likely indicate the use of a ramp to move large stones.

 

[cladking]

The tower of Babe never existed. Languages both spoken and written evolved over time and did not appear suddenly as previously documented by references,

Not only do linguists know everything but you know everything linguists know. Homo omnisciencis.

You should have no difficulty telling me why linguists say PIE can't be traced back before 2000 BC.

Are you aware that linguistics isn't a science either and I say this DESPITE the fact they agree with me and my theory about the tower of babel?