How did the Egyptians build the pyramids?

[cladking]

The hieroglyphics are well translated today based on research and discoveries no problem,

There is no evidence even possible that a book of incantation can be shown to be translated properly.

 

[cladking]

My question id 'What is the "history of granite?"

Go back and read your own post.

Someday consider responding to one of mine.

 

[cladking]

Only from the heat of the sun and the environment. There is absolutely no other source of heat today.

Egyptologists don't only not do science they don't understand it either. Everything is a black box mystery to almost all of them.

They do not understand the nature of heat or its flow.

The area you say is hot from the sun is recessed into the pyramid and is lighter colored stone. Being recessed it get's less direct sunlight so should be colder. Being lighter colored it absorbs much less sunlight so should be much colder. Being at the bottom it gets sunlight later in the day and is in shadows longer after sunrise making it colder. Being adjacent to the cold ground should make them much colder. Any moisture evaporating from these stones after sunrise should make them colder.

These should be the coldest stones on the pyramid no matter what ANY Egyptologist might say. They are so hot you can fry an egg on them.

This is science. Hawass calling on Egyptologists to offer hypotheses about why they are still hot is nonsense and psuedoscience AT BEST.

 

[Pogo]

Evolutionary Engineering: Simple Machines—Pyramids to Skyscrapers - Unit

Simple machines are devices with few or no moving parts that make work easier, and which people have used to provide mechanical advantage for thousands of years. Students learn about the wedge, wheel and axle, lever, inclined plane, screw and pulley in the context of the construction of a...

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Summary​

Simple machines are devices with few or no moving parts that make work easier, and which people have used to provide mechanical advantage for thousands of years. Students learn about the wedge, wheel and axle, lever, inclined plane, screw and pulley in the context of the construction of a pyramid, gaining insights into tools that have been used since ancient times and are still important today. Through numerous hands-on activities, students imagine themselves as ancient engineers building a pyramid. Student teams evaluate and select a construction site, design a pyramid, perform materials calculations, test a variety of cutting wedges on different materials, design a small-scale cart/lever transport system to convey building materials, experiment with the angle of inclination and pull force on an inclined plane, see how a pulley can change the direction of force, and learn the differences between fixed, movable and combined pulleys. While learning the steps of the engineering design process, students practice teamwork, creativity and problem solving.This engineering curriculum aligns to Next Generation Science Standards (NGSS).

Engineering Connection​

Engineers are experts at understanding the mechanical advantages gained by the use of simple machines. In so many everyday applications—the design of structures, machines, products and tools—simple machines make our lives and work easier. The same physical principles and mechanical advantages of simple machines used by ancient engineers to build pyramids are exploited by today's engineers to construct modern structures such as houses, bridges and skyscrapers. Simple machines and combinations of simple machines are also important and pervasive in our modern world in the form of common devices used by everyone—wheelbarrows, bicycles, crowbars, shovels, highway ramps, jackhammers, zippers, screws, jar lids, car jack, window blind controls, rock climbing gear, gym equipment, elevators, hand truck/dolly. These complex modern devices perform much work for very little power. The student pyramid building experience parallels the modern-day engineering design and construction process, which employs the engineering design process, teamwork, creativity and problem solving.

Grades 3-5, sure you are not assuming too much background?

 

[Pogo]

Egyptologists don't only not do science they don't understand it either. Everything is a black box mystery to almost all of them.

They do not understand the nature of heat or its flow.

The area you say is hot from the sun is recessed into the pyramid and is lighter colored stone. Being recessed it get's less direct sunlight so should be colder. Being lighter colored it absorbs much less sunlight so should be much colder. Being at the bottom it gets sunlight later in the day and is in shadows longer after sunrise making it colder. Being adjacent to the cold ground should make them much colder. Any moisture evaporating from these stones after sunrise should make them colder.

These should be the coldest stones on the pyramid no matter what ANY Egyptologist might say. They are so hot you can fry an egg on them.

This is science. Hawass calling on Egyptologists to offer hypotheses about why they are still hot is nonsense and psuedoscience AT BEST.

The entire range is 24-30 degrees C and the 24 degree parts are not shown in you image, they are below it. You can't fry an egg at 30 C unless you can do it on your forehead.

Your shadow argument assumes some other object not in evidence and what do you claim is the internal heatsource in this scenario?

 

[cladking]

There is het generated by the friction due to expansion and contraction of the pyramids causing heat spots. This aalso true of modern massive structures.

That's a funny way to think of it. The expansion is mostly caused by heat rather than resulting from it.

 

[cladking]

Again only the heat from the today's environment, and the friction due to expansion and contraction of the pyramids. The stones will heat up due to exposure from the sun.

I am not the one who suggested otherwise. you appeared to.

"Today's environment" includes a massive heat sink that the builders called the "mafdet mongoose surrounded by high walls on which are written the Book of Thot with four passages to the outside including the Cool is the Crown Path behind these hot stones". Please tell me if there are any words here you don't understand and then respond on point to the words. Because they said this I campaigned for years to get Egyptology to use infrared to prove it and it DID!!! Now please respond to THIS point. Don't lecture. Respond.

 

[cladking]

Only from the heat of the sun and the environment. There is absolutely no other source of heat today. The heat of the original heting of stones to break them thousands of years ago is long gone. It is just plain simple physics.

There is het generated by the friction due to expansion and contraction of the pyramids causing heat spots. This aalso true of modern massive structures. Based on physical measurements science acknowledges the heat spots in the pyramids.



Again only the heat from the today's environment, and the friction due to expansion and contraction of the pyramids. The stones will heat up due to exposure from the sun. Yes the pyramids are a huge heat sink.


it show chemical changes that occurred when they were heated to assist in breaking.

https://gizamedia.rc.fas.harvard.edu/documents/klemm-klemm_stones_gizeh.pdf

Detailed references will, however, be made to the more recent papers of a research group of the Ain Shams University, Cairo and of the American Research Centre in Egypt (ARCE), as they deal with questions directly concerning the provenance of the pyramids' building stones. First a short historical overview: The first systematic attempt to stratigraphically subdivide the Gizeh plateau was made by VON ZlTTEL, who was mainly concerned with the classification of the Eocene fossil groups occurring there 5 2 . In his handbook on the regional geology of Egypt, BLANKENHORN5 3 dealt intensively with the geology of the Gizeh plateau. Cuvillier revised the Egyptian nummulites and proposed new stratigraphic divisions 5 4 . HUME, in contrast, did not extensively discuss the Gizeh plateau in his first volume of the "Geology of Egypt" 5 5 . Interesting geological observations were given by WAGNER5 6 . KNETSC H also contributed to the geological situation around the Gizeh area 5 7 . A detailed stratigraphic division was given by SAID5 8 , which he later modified5 9 . Detailed contributions to the geology of the Gizeh plateau were given by STROUGO together with the group from the Ain Shams University6 0 . They presented a well-differentiated stratigraphic division, which YEHIA 6 1 correlated convincingly with the Eocene limestone sequences of the Eastern Desert south of Cairo. Concerning the building stones, the tectonic details and the special geological map given by YEHIA are of special interest. In his map, geological details and specifications are marked, which must have been apparent to the builders of the pyramids, as not only the exact layout of the pyramids but also the arrangement of the quarry sites were carefully chosen, integrating these aspects into the architectural conception

Again: What is this "History of Granite' you mentioned?

This is not an experiment and most Egyptologists do not believe any stones were broken except to make mortar.

Egyptologists hold scientists in disdain.

 

[cladking]

Yes partly true, but there is a lot of evidence that boats were used and a canal (old river channel) to the pyramid site was used. Timbers were used to as rollers, The primitive wheels were not strong enough to move stones.

More nonsense. The plateau is 180' above the river and I already showed proof water flowed from the pyramid to the river. It's impossible for water to flow uphill.

Respond.

 

[cladking]

. You reject and manipulate the physical evidence to fit your agenda and opinion.

The physical evidence I accept is in close agreement with Egyptological opinion. If you ever RESPONDED to anything I said I could try to show this. But keep in mind I don't care one bit what they believe and the search engines don't work any longer. But you don't respond so I don't know what it is you don't understand.

You can't just ask Siri about pyramids because as I've already told you ten times most of what is on the net is wrong and doesn't agree with Egyptologists. RESPOND.

 

[cladking]

The physical evidence I accept is in close agreement with Egyptological opinion. If you ever RESPONDED to anything I said I could try to show this. But keep in mind I don't care one bit what they believe and the search engines don't work any longer. But you don't respond so I don't know what it is you don't understand.

You can't just ask Siri about pyramids because as I've already told you ten times most of what is on the net is wrong and doesn't agree with Egyptologists. RESPOND.

 

[cladking]

You need a basic reeducation in English, The science behind the physical evidence of the nature and construction of the pyramids, which you deny, is not opinion.

You've shown me internet sources. No science.

RESPOND.

 

[cladking]

No scientific sources or evidence provided that support your conclusions.

I've provided proof and you never RESPONDED.

I can do it again but you still won't respond.

Respond to this.

 

[cladking]

Evolutionary Engineering: Simple Machines—Pyramids to Skyscrapers - Unit

Simple machines are devices with few or no moving parts that make work easier, and which people have used to provide mechanical advantage for thousands of years. Students learn about the wedge, wheel and axle, lever, inclined plane, screw and pulley in the context of the construction of a...

www.teachengineering.org

Summary​

Simple machines are devices with few or no moving parts that make work easier, and which people have used to provide mechanical advantage for thousands of years. Students learn about the wedge, wheel and axle, lever, inclined plane, screw and pulley in the context of the construction of a pyramid, gaining insights into tools that have been used since ancient times and are still important today. Through numerous hands-on activities, students imagine themselves as ancient engineers building a pyramid. Student teams evaluate and select a construction site, design a pyramid, perform materials calculations, test a variety of cutting wedges on different materials, design a small-scale cart/lever transport system to convey building materials, experiment with the angle of inclination and pull force on an inclined plane, see how a pulley can change the direction of force, and learn the differences between fixed, movable and combined pulleys. While learning the steps of the engineering design process, students practice teamwork, creativity and problem solving.This engineering curriculum aligns to Next Generation Science Standards (NGSS).

Engineering Connection​

Engineers are experts at understanding the mechanical advantages gained by the use of simple machines. In so many everyday applications—the design of structures, machines, products and tools—simple machines make our lives and work easier. The same physical principles and mechanical advantages of simple machines used by ancient engineers to build pyramids are exploited by today's engineers to construct modern structures such as houses, bridges and skyscrapers. Simple machines and combinations of simple machines are also important and pervasive in our modern world in the form of common devices used by everyone—wheelbarrows, bicycles, crowbars, shovels, highway ramps, jackhammers, zippers, screws, jar lids, car jack, window blind controls, rock climbing gear, gym equipment, elevators, hand truck/dolly. These complex modern devices perform much work for very little power. The student pyramid building experience parallels the modern-day engineering design and construction process, which employs the engineering design process, teamwork, creativity and problem solving.

Defining "simple machines" is not responding. You need to show what machines were used and evidence it was used.

Respond.

 

[cladking]

I have responded. The use of the ramp is a physical object objectively documented in the use in the quarry, Meidum pyramid and the Giza pyramid, Of course, ramp is an English word not a word in Egyptian, nonetheless.

Incredible.

I said the word "ramp" is not attested from the great pyramid building age and you repreat a claim that they are known to have been used at Meidum.

 

[cladking]

Key points about "sḍt":

Thank you for responding. You caught me off guard.

Yes. This word was the word for ramp. The problem is, as I stated, the word is not attested from the great pyramid building age. It's very first attestation is circa 2300 BC 400 years AFTER the great pyramids were built.

 

[George-ananda]

How about the question 'WHY did the Egyptians build the pyramids?'.

From the mainstream it sounds like a ridiculously monumental effort with incredible complexity for just the reasons accepted. I am very open to ideas there were reasons (and probably methods) not currently accepted by mainstream archeology involved.

 

[cladking]

The entire range is 24-30 degrees C and the 24 degree parts are not shown in you image, they are below it. You can't fry an egg at 30 C unless you can do it on your forehead.

AS I showed these should be the coldest stones on the pyramid.

Your shadow argument assumes some other object not in evidence and what do you claim is the internal heatsource in this scenario?

Remember the Mafdet Mongoose?

 

[cladking]

How about the question 'WHY did the Egyptians build the pyramids?'.

From the mainstream it sounds like a ridiculously monumental effort with incredible complexity for just the reasons accepted. I am very open to ideas there were reasons (and probably methods) not currently accepted by mainstream archeology involved.

There is no direct evidence of any kind any great pyramid was intended as a Tomb. There is extensive direct evidence that they were intended principally as a mnemonic for important personages and the Great Pyramid itself was a time capsule.

 

[George-ananda]

There is no direct evidence of any kind any great pyramid was intended as a Tomb. There is extensive direct evidence that they were intended principally as a mnemonic for important personages and the Great Pyramid itself was a time capsule.

Another thing that amazes me is how can a civilization capable of such a marvel not leave sufficient records for history of what this was all about.