How did the Egyptians build the pyramids?

[cladking]

This picture does not represent the casing stones except for the base. They were likely installed the same way as the other stones on ramps.

Remarkable!!! We were talking about the size of the casing stones.

Do you realize stones at the base didn't need to be lifted? No funiculars, no ramps, no levitation beams because these stones are on the bottom.

 

[cladking]

You lack the qualifications to make such assertions.

I don't need no stinkin' qualifications because I can make accurate predictions.

 

[cladking]

OK you are referring to a mythical god/human/animal that does not exist,

You are forgetting what I told you the nature of Ancient Language is: Every word was representative. Ours are symbolic and abstractions and take their meaning from context. Their words each represented something palpable, something real, something concrete. "Mafdet" was real just like The Sphinx and was the mate of the Sphinx. Their "gods" were real. Every animal was unique and individual and very real. They couldn't play word games if they tried.

Apparently mafdet by means of some "runner" executed criminals. She was certainly real to those ripped apart violently and those allowed to suffocate in the CO2.

These people weren't savages though. Unlike us they punished only the guilty and the punishment always fit the crime. we would consider some punishments rather harsh and some too lenient. To the ancients it always came down to intent. You never wanted to go in front of an Egyptian judge if you had evil in your heart and hatred in your spleen. But if your intent was good punishments were very mild or nonexistent. Since there were no word games he knew what you were thinking.

 

[shunyadragon]

You are forgetting what I told you the nature of Ancient Language is: Every word was representative. Ours are symbolic and abstractions and take their meaning from context. Their words each represented something palpable, something real, something concrete. "Mafdet" was real just like The Sphinx and was the mate of the Sphinx. Their "gods" were real. Every animal was unique and individual and very real. They couldn't play word games if they tried.

Apparently mafdet by means of some "runner" executed criminals. She was certainly real to those ripped apart violently and those allowed to suffocate in the CO2.

These people weren't savages though. Unlike us they punished only the guilty and the punishment always fit the crime. we would consider some punishments rather harsh and some too lenient. To the ancients it always came down to intent. You never wanted to go in front of an Egyptian judge if you had evil in your heart and hatred in your spleen. But if your intent was good punishments were very mild or nonexistent. Since there were no word games he knew what you were thinking.

I did not forget anything. Fundamentalist believers in the literal ancient text as factual and literal history without science are out of touch with reality and like your and others like Christian Fundamentalist live in their own created world of ancient mytholgy,

Nonetheless they believed in mythical Creatures and mythology without science. Like other ancient religions and their texts like the Bible,

 

[shunyadragon]

I don't need no stinkin' qualifications because I can make accurate predictions.

You have no qualification nor accurate predictions,

 

[cladking]

You have no qualification nor accurate predictions,

Then how do I know that the study Hawass won't allow to be published says the thermal anomaly is very cold in the spring?

I know all sorts of things that Egyptology can't even guess.

 

[shunyadragon]

Then how do I know that the study Hawass won't allow to be published says the thermal anomaly is very cold in the spring?

This is personal trivia and nothing to do with making meaningful predictions. Has nothing to do with your intentional ignorance of science.

I know all sorts of things that Egyptology can't even guess.

Since your imaginary mythical world has no relationship with reality they would not even try to guess.

 

[Pogo]

I've have shown extensive evidence for the usage of funiculars and I have a great deal more; thousands of data points. But nobody is responding to any of the evidence I cite and is instead posting stuff they find on the net that even Egyptologists know aren't true.

And unless you can show us otherwise, a funicular (which I am sure you cannot show us an attestation for) is just a collection of simple machines. There is no magic to it and it requires power to operate, from humans or draft animals if they had them..

you are not citing evidence, you are making assertions based on your idiosyncratic translation of stories.

The cow jumped over the moon is not evidence of bovine superpowers.

 

[cladking]

This is personal trivia and nothing to do with making meaningful predictions. Has nothing to do with your intentional ignorance of science.

Since your imaginary mythical world has no relationship with reality they would not even try to guess.

I suppose you believe it is just magic that allows me to make prediction or maybe sheer coincidence.

 

[cladking]

you are not citing evidence, you are making assertions based on your idiosyncratic translation of stories.

You just ignore every point.

From this remarkable forking, it [p. 50] is evident that the trench cannot have been made with any ideas of sighting along it, or of its marking out a direction or azimuth; and, starting as it does, from the basalt pavement (or from any building which stood there), and running with a steady fall to the nearest point of the cliff edge, it seems exactly as if intended for a drain; the more so as there is plainly a good deal of water-weanng at a point where it falls sharply, at its enlargement. The forking of the inner end is not cut in the rock, but in a large block of limestone.

The NNE trench feeds the eastern cliff face counterweight.

The builders referred to them as ladders because stones and men ascended on them.

1474b. They made a ladder for N., that he might ascend to heaven on it.

542a. To say: N. purified himself upon that appearing (-mound) of the earth, on which Rē‘ purified himself;
542b. he placed a ḥb-’ib-stand and he set up the ladder.
542c. Those who are in the great (heaven), they will take the arm of N.

This specific ladder was the Ladder of Set;

975a. Let also the ladder of god be given to N., let the ladder of Set be given to N.
975b. that N. may ascend to heaven on it, and do service of courtier to Rē‘,

995d. The mȝḳ.t-ladder comes; the pȝḳ.t-ladder comes, thy name comes (as) the gods named (it).
996a. Those who have ascended are come, those who have ascended are come; those who have climbed up are come, those who have climbed' up are come;

2078c. the offspring of Horus of Letopolis.
2079a. They bind a ladder for N.;
2079b. they make firm a ladder for N.

The fact that you don't care and that you believe in ramps doesn't make me wrong.

Everything on the net is wrong and Egyptologists know it. The irony is Egyptologists are also wrong.

 

[cladking]

And both posters are continuing to ignore every one of my points.

Why not address them? Why do you pretend they don't exist? There is water erosion in canal leading away from the pyramid. This canal was part of the Winding Watercourse and called the "Knsti-Canal".

1541a. that thou hast ferried over the Winding Watercourse; that thou hast traversed the canal of [Knsi.t].

The one overhead to the west that I predicted was called the "Nurse Canal".

937e. N. takes water with you out of the mn-canal (or, lake of the nurse) of N.,

The physical evidence is staggering.

 

[cladking]

The cow jumped over the moon is not evidence of bovine superpowers.

1059b + 3 (N. 1055 + 48). like the equipment which was made in Mḥt-wr.t-(cow).

They said nothing of bovine flatulence. They spoke of equipment in the mehet weret cow and of the Bull of Heaven;

803a. after the bull of heaven had given thee his arm. (bulls have no arms by the way)

2080b. the ropes which are on it are made solid
2080c. by means of sinews of Gȝśw.ti, the bull of heaven;

The "Bull of Heaven" is the funicular and his sinews are the taut ropes over the pyramid.

Can you see this at all? There's nothing here about farting cows.

1431c. A ladder is made for him, upon which he mounts, in its name of "That which mounts to heaven."
1432a. His boat is brought to him by the d‘m-sceptres of the imperishable stars.
1432b. The bull (or, ox) of heaven lowers its horn, so that he may pass thereon to the lakes of Dȝ.t.

The Bull of Heaven operates on the ladder just as I said.

You're imaging jumping cows what this is not what they said.

Just like Egyptologists they said one thing and you see something different.

 

[cladking]

Just like Egyptologists they said one thing and you see something different.

Address the evidence. Address what I say. Address what the builders said.

Nobody should care what Egyptologists say because all they have is mysteries and no answers and no predictions.

And ignore what you find on the net because it's all wrong.

 

[Pogo]

You just ignore every point.

From this remarkable forking, it [p. 50] is evident that the trench cannot have been made with any ideas of sighting along it, or of its marking out a direction or azimuth; and, starting as it does, from the basalt pavement (or from any building which stood there), and running with a steady fall to the nearest point of the cliff edge, it seems exactly as if intended for a drain; the more so as there is plainly a good deal of water-weanng at a point where it falls sharply, at its enlargement. The forking of the inner end is not cut in the rock, but in a large block of limestone.

The NNE trench feeds the eastern cliff face counterweight.

The builders referred to them as ladders because stones and men ascended on them.

1474b. They made a ladder for N., that he might ascend to heaven on it.

542a. To say: N. purified himself upon that appearing (-mound) of the earth, on which Rē‘ purified himself;
542b. he placed a ḥb-’ib-stand and he set up the ladder.
542c. Those who are in the great (heaven), they will take the arm of N.

This specific ladder was the Ladder of Set;

975a. Let also the ladder of god be given to N., let the ladder of Set be given to N.
975b. that N. may ascend to heaven on it, and do service of courtier to Rē‘,

995d. The mȝḳ.t-ladder comes; the pȝḳ.t-ladder comes, thy name comes (as) the gods named (it).
996a. Those who have ascended are come, those who have ascended are come; those who have climbed up are come, those who have climbed' up are come;

2078c. the offspring of Horus of Letopolis.
2079a. They bind a ladder for N.;
2079b. they make firm a ladder for N.

The fact that you don't care and that you believe in ramps doesn't make me wrong.

Everything on the net is wrong and Egyptologists know it. The irony is Egyptologists are also wrong.

This is what science has to say about the ability to use water and barges to bring materials to the Giza Plateau. Note, it has nothing to do with how they raised the stones up the pyramid.

Nile waterscapes facilitated the construction of the Giza pyramids during the 3rd millennium BCE​

 

[cladking]

This is what science has to say about the ability to use water and barges to bring materials to the Giza Plateau. Note, it has nothing to do with how they raised the stones up the pyramid.

Nile waterscapes facilitated the construction of the Giza pyramids during the 3rd millennium BCE​

I haven't had time to study it yet but this is a much higher quality source and I see no glaring errors. I could quibble with a couple minor things.

But you haven't shown me how they used these canals to lift stone up the plateau or the pyramid. There's nothing in this study about ramps or any other means to lift stones.

When I started this in 2006 most people just thought the causeway went into the valley for looks and terminated in a Valley Temple because they were superstitious. I pointed out that these valley ports were at the same elevation at the edge of a defunct branch of the river. It was only recently Egyptologists got on board but they still refer to the causeway as a "Holy Walkway" that would never be profaned with stinky feet and stones.

Next Egyptologists will admit the causeway is a ramp that takes stone to the very base of the pyramid at the "Mortuary Temple". Then a few years later they'll realize that if stones go to the base then they must continue straight up the side. Ten years after that one of them will propose the causeway wasn't a stinky footed ramp at all but rather the path of a linear funicular.

Who knew?

Homo omnisciencis. We have to be hit up side the head to see what's right in front of our noses.

 

[cladking]

This is what science has to say about the ability to use water and barges to bring materials to the Giza Plateau. Note, it has nothing to do with how they raised the stones up the pyramid.

Nile waterscapes facilitated the construction of the Giza pyramids during the 3rd millennium BCE​

This is a little more than just a quibble. Construction of these pyramids really began in the 4th millennium BC. You can clearly see this in how copper lays out as I predicted in the test I spent a decade trying to get done.

No evidence at all supports any Egyptological beliefs.

https://www.ancientportsantiques.com/wp-content/uploads/Documents/PLACES/Egypt-Libya/Gizeh-Younes2024.pdf

 

[cladking]

Then a few years later they'll realize that if stones go to the base then they must continue straight up the side.

And this is the simple fact that Egyptologists will have to be hit up the side of the head again to see. There was no need for ramps because the pyramids were built in steps. Stones were pulled straight up the easy way. They were pulled up from the "Great Saw Palace" on the east side and the giant hole in it was used to stack the stones on the dndndr-boat all at the same height like a plate dispenser in a restaurant. This device was called "min".

This is the real "cultural context" and we are the stinky footed bumpkins.

 

[thebenbenstone]

When you mentioned 'plate dispenser' do the Pyramids have a centralized area that could channel and hold water from the inner core center or central base area to the very top? Similar to an air shaft or elevator shaft.
Using the worlds most buoyant material of its era, for example perhaps 'cork or balsa wood' both these are natural materials. What would be the ratio needed to hold the enormous weight of just one of these colossal stones? using just water as the method to propel the stones weight vertically upwards? Perhaps if cork or balsa wood wasn't available would any material filled with Air .. an air bag or multiple airbags be used to carry any colossal weight vertically upwards?
Perhaps if the pressure was to much from the base... block the base then pour water from the top to cause an independent platform that could raise any dispersed or balanced weight.

The following is an example of modern technology ...
Aerogels are among the lightest solid materials in existence, and are created by replacing the liquid component of a gel with a gas – this results in their extremely low density, and has earned them the nickname of “frozen smoke.” Now, scientists have created a new type of aerogel that is inspired by the feet of the water strider. The material is reportedly so buoyant, that a boat made from one pound (454 grams) of it could carry about 1,000 pounds (454 kg) of cargo.

The aerogel was created by a team at the Helsinki University of Technology, and contains tiny fibers known as nano-fibrils, derived from the cellulose in plants. The presence of the fibers allows the aerogel to float using the same principles employed by the water strider’s long, skinny feet. Those feet are covered in tiny hairs that trap air, and that help spread the insect’s weight across the water, keeping it from breaking the surface tension.

 

[Pogo]

I haven't had time to study it yet but this is a much higher quality source and I see no glaring errors. I could quibble with a couple minor things.

But you haven't shown me how they used these canals to lift stone up the plateau or the pyramid. There's nothing in this study about ramps or any other means to lift stones.

As I said in the first line, this is not about how they raised the stones, only how they carried them to the vicinity of the work site.

When I started this in 2006 most people just thought the causeway went into the valley for looks and terminated in a Valley Temple because they were superstitious. I pointed out that these valley ports were at the same elevation at the edge of a defunct branch of the river. It was only recently Egyptologists got on board but they still refer to the causeway as a "Holy Walkway" that would never be profaned with stinky feet and stones.

Next Egyptologists will admit the causeway is a ramp that takes stone to the very base of the pyramid at the "Mortuary Temple". Then a few years later they'll realize that if stones go to the base then they must continue straight up the side. Ten years after that one of them will propose the causeway wasn't a stinky footed ramp at all but rather the path of a linear funicular.

Who knew?

Homo omnisciencis. We have to be hit up side the head to see what's right in front of our noses.

You are back at your unknown use of the word funicular, you deny it uses ramps, but are unwilling to define it in sufficient detail to analyze how it actually lifts things and where the energy Ep or Ek comes from. Just saying they used a funicular explains nothing. What is it and how did they build it?
How is it similar or different to this.

Funicular​

Funicular - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[cladking]

When you mentioned 'plate dispenser' do the Pyramids have a centralized area that could channel and hold water from the inner core center or central base area to the very top? Similar to an air shaft or elevator shaft.
Using the worlds most buoyant material of its era, for example perhaps 'cork or balsa wood' both these are natural materials. What would be the ratio needed to hold the enormous weight of just one of these colossal stones? using just water as the method to propel the stones weight vertically upwards? Perhaps if cork or balsa wood wasn't available would any material filled with Air .. an air bag or multiple airbags be used to carry any colossal weight vertically upwards?

There are a few theorists who propose this. The only real problem with it is that it would be impossible to construct wall to withstand the pressure above about 50' so sto0nes would have to go up in~50' increments. It's possible but I don't see the evidence to support it.