How do Christians view Judaism?

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

So you agree that the Jews cannot be blamed, collectively, for Jesus death.

No, I don't agree.

Israel as a nation rejected Christ. And thus the nation bears the responsibility for Christ's death. The few that followed Christ, and those later that would, would become part of the Church. Israel as a nation stands as a people bearing the responsibility of Christ's death.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Harel13]

Why the parenthesis?

Good-Ole-Rebel

Because it's not really the issue at hand.

 

[RabbiO]

@Harel13 I might agree with some of what @Good-Ole-Rebel is saying. As I understand it, in times past Israel had a history of arousing the wrath of God against it, by its waywardness, and yet He never stopped loving it. The same could be true today. Maybe nothing will ever stop God from loving Israel as much as He ever has, even if it fails to recognize some of His prophets.

Huh?

A few posts back you were saying that you really know don’t much at all about Judaism - in any of its forms - and now you’re making value judgements about it and the people who live their lives within it and through it?

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

Because it's not really the issue at hand.

(OK)

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[pearl]

Israel as a nation rejected Christ. And thus the nation bears the responsibility for Christ's death.

And it is this attitude that allowed/justified the Shoah.

 

[Terry Sampson]

And it is this attitude that allowed/justified the Shoah.

Is this where he says: That was before I got here?

 

[WhyIsThatSo]

None of this actually contradicts the fact that modern Israel is the location of most of what was the northern kingdom. You're just saying that the descendants of those migrated and evolved into what's known today as British and American (who originally mostly came from Britain).

But never mind that. Bottom line, is Judaism relevant today according to Christianity, in your view?

I don't believe either orthodox variety is relevant today, in my view.

 

[Jim]

As I understand it, in times past Israel had a history of arousing the wrath of God against it, by its waywardness, and yet He never stopped loving it. The same could be true today. Maybe nothing will ever stop God from loving Israel as much as He ever has, even if it fails to recognize some of His prophets.

Huh?

A few posts back you were saying that you really know don’t much at all about Judaism - in any of its forms - and now you’re making value judgements about it and the people who live their lives within it and through it?

Thank you. I’ve edited that post now, to clarify that.

What I meant to say earlier is that I know very little about current Jewish beliefs and practices.

 

[firedragon]

Not sure if this is in the right section...
Anyway, through various discussions and, at times, heated debates online with Christians on different sites these last couple of years, I've come under the impression that at least some Christians view Judaism as "Christianity minus Jesus". Certainly, I'm pretty sure this is a mindset that groups like the Hebrew Christians and Messianic Judaism have used to preach to and convert Jews.

Is this really how Christians view Judaism?

Note: This isn't about what role Christians think Jews serve in the world, but about the religion itself.

Brother. Your question is valid, but it’s not easy nor is it proper to name it “Christians”. The theology is so vastly varying that one could never pinpoint.

For example, the sinaiticism adherents are more Jewish than one could imagine.

Also the evangelical movements are extreme in two ways, towards Judaism and departing.

Difficult.

 

[Harel13]

nor is it proper to name it “Christians”

Why?

 

[metis]

And it is this attitude that allowed/justified the Shoah.

As one who was sponsored on a study of the Holocaust in Poland and Israel whereas I spent 3 weeks in both back in 1991, you are 100% correct.

For someone to still blame a whole people for actions that took place almost 2000 years ago, such as the blaming of the entire Jewish people for Jesus' death, is stereotyping on steroids. How many lives have been lost with the Shoah and other forms of genocide over the centuries because of that kind of myopic and deadly bigotry.

 

[lukethethird]

So, yes to my OP assumption. Okay. Do you agree with this notion, if I may ask?

No, I think of them as two different religions with perhaps some overlapping values that apply to most religions.

 

[firedragon]

Why?

Explained in the same post brother.

 

[Harel13]

Explained in the same post brother.

I got the not easy part but not the not proper part. In the end, there's a flagship called "Christianity" with many adherents. Therefore I'm interested in hearing what those adherents have to say on the subject. Perhaps my phrasing was too generalized, but I think our RFian Christians managed to get the gist of things.

 

[firedragon]

I got the not easy part but not the not proper part. In the end, there's a flagship called "Christianity" with many adherents. Therefore I'm interested in hearing what those adherents have to say on the subject.

Hmm. In Seychelles there are 137 registered different denominations. Less than 100,000 people in the country, with 75%Roman Catholics, it is the rest of the Christians who are around 20% or 20,000 who belong to so many denominations.

Thats the diversity. Thus asking this question from Christianity per se is not "proper".

Anyway, cheers.

 

[firedragon]

I got the not easy part but not the not proper part. In the end, there's a flagship called "Christianity" with many adherents. Therefore I'm interested in hearing what those adherents have to say on the subject. Perhaps my phrasing was too generalized, but I think our RFian Christians managed to get the gist of things.

Anyway, many evangelical Christians including many of the charismatic denominations believe that there is no Judaism. It was always Christianity. The Christ existed since the beginning with God as the Logos and he was part of the creator so by default people highjacked the true religion of Christianity and turned it into Judaism misunderstanding all the prophecies of the coming Christ, the pluralis majestatis of Elohim, and some go to the extent of quoting prophecies of the return of Christ as well which Judaism obviously didn't understand.

So that's a very dominant view.

 

[1213]

What sort of hypocrisy?

That the religion (religious practices) becomes greater than God.

 

[Harel13]

That the religion (religious practices) becomes greater than God.

You see this in religions?

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

And it is this attitude that allowed/justified the Shoah.

Are you saying God had a bad attitude? How about the Assyrian scattering of the Northern 10 tribes? Whose bad attitude was responsible for that? Isaiah's? Or the Babylonian captivity? Maybe Jeremiah's attitude was the cause. Or maybe...just maybe...it was the rebellious Jews attitude towards God? Now that's a revelation.

The Bible is clear that Israel is responsible for Christ's death. She has been under the judgement of God since the Babylonian captivity. She will continue under that judgement until God lifts the blindness from her eyes and the end of the tribulation period.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Terry Sampson]

Thats the diversity.

I agree that the diversity is indisputable.

Thus asking this question from Christianity per se is not "proper".

Therefore, assuming the vast diversity in Christianity, no one can ask RFers how Christians view Judaism? That strikes me as an odd idea.
There is diversity among Jews and diversity among Muslims, too, albeit to a far lesser extent, some might say. Would it also be improper to ask, in RF, one of the following questions?

1. How do Jews view Christianity?
2. How do Muslims view Christianity?
3. How do Muslims view Judaism?
4. How do Jews view Islam?,
   
5. How do Baha'i view Judaism, Christianity, and Judaism?

Personally, IMO, only #5 is not a proper question, because nobody but Baha'i care what they think, they are crazy and don't carry weapons.