How do Muslims know that the Quran hasn't changed?

[IndigoChild5559]

Muslims say that the Quran is the same today as it has always been. However, I question this. From what I understand, during the very early history of Islam, one of the caliphs, Uthman, had all the copies of the Quran destroyed so that way new copies would be made that were standardized. Apparently this was because there were varying readings of the Quran due to the lack of diacritical marks. So anyway, how are we supposed to know that the new one that was issued was the same as the one that Muhammad supposedly received from the angel?

You have hit the nail on the head.

 

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Peace be on you also

Intresting perspective , acceptable.
I would add and change some things in it to be better with my understanding of faith , but i will leave it for another time.
Thank you for taking the time to explain it.

I wanted also to ask you something else , i see that you know what you are talking.
I don't want to question your reason in what you belive, because i saw in your previous post the answer.
What do you think of the last words , specificly the last verses and how much impact they have on what we as belivers say, divine revelation?
How good do you know pre-Islamic and post-Islamic period in Arabia?
By post i meant the next 200-300 years.

Peace,

The last verses believed by Sunni and Shia to be revealed is 2:281. Not sure of the impact. Perhaps you are thinking of 5:3?

I know a bit more of post in that Ahlulbayt (a) were oppressed and their followers oppressed. I don't have a good chronology of the events in terms of wars Muslims were in.

I know of Mukhtar avenging Hussain (a), Abbasids hijacking the revolution of Ahlulbayt (a)and similar things, but not too much.

 

[Dimi95]

Peace,

The last verses believed by Sunni and Shia to be revealed is 2:281. Not sure of the impact. Perhaps you are thinking of 5:3?

I know a bit more of post in that Ahlulbayt (a) were oppressed and their followers oppressed. I don't have a good chronology of the events in terms of wars Muslims were in.

I know of Mukhtar avenging Hussain (a), Abbasids hijacking the revolution of Ahlulbayt (a)and similar things, but not too much.

Peace

Then leave it ..

I just want to ask you so much questions , but i don't want you to take them as offensive , i have started discussions here with Muslims and i pushed a little bit , and they stept back.

I won't lie to you , i know a lot..

So i have questions , and i would like to hear your answers.

Sahih Muslim , Hadith 146 :

It is narrated on the authority of Ibn Umar that the Messenger of Allah observed:
"Verily Islam started as something strange and it would again revert (to its old position) of being strange just as it started, and it would recede between the two mosques just as the serpent crawls back into its hole."

And..

"Narrated Aisha (One of Muhammad’s wives): Magic was worked on Allah's Apostle so that he used to think that he had sexual relations with his wives while he actually had not."
(This spell lasted for a year)

Is it reasonable for me as Christian when i am confronted with such information that i should ask myself was that really from God?

And about context:
Surah 5:60
"Say should I tell you about an evil as judgment from Allah, the one which
Allah curses him, and being angry of them, and made from them
monkeys and pigs those who worshipped evil;- these are worse in
position, and far more astray from the right path!"
Do you known the real interpretation of this Surah?
Who in the world would think that God The Almighty punished Jews and turn them into monkeys and pigs because they went fishing on Saturday just to bring food to their children?
And it was explained to me that it was intentionaly, the fish dissapeared entire week and apeared Saturday..
Take your conclusion...

I would say that contradicts Surah 5:3
"But if any is forced by hunger, with no inclination to transgression, Allah is indeed Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful"

Don't get me wrong , you have your reasons for beliving it , but just wanted to see how would you answer this kind of questions.And take my stand to see of my point of view how it looks.

And i would use something from the Bible to express my stand:
John 8:31
"...and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”

 

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Peace

Then leave it ..

I just want to ask you so much questions , but i don't want you to take them as offensive , i have started discussions here with Muslims and i pushed a little bit , and they stept back.

I won't lie to you , i know a lot..

So i have questions , and i would like to hear your answers.

Sahih Muslim , Hadith 146 :

It is narrated on the authority of Ibn Umar that the Messenger of Allah observed:
"Verily Islam started as something strange and it would again revert (to its old position) of being strange just as it started, and it would recede between the two mosques just as the serpent crawls back into its hole."

And..

"Narrated Aisha (One of Muhammad’s wives): Magic was worked on Allah's Apostle so that he used to think that he had sexual relations with his wives while he actually had not."
(This spell lasted for a year)

Is it reasonable for me as Christian when i am confronted with such information that i should ask myself was that really from God?

Peace upon you friend,

There was a conspiracy against Islam. Arabia use to worship Satan outwardly and openly with no shame, and were into all sorts of dark magic. However, the Nabi (s) in Quran is said to be a refuge for believers against black magic. How can the asylum from black magic, be affected by it? How can the holy power and spirit from God to help believers against it, be effect by black magic?

I don't know the chain you are narrating, but son of Umar and Aisha, I believe to be both enemies of God, his Messenger, and his family.

So I would not believe in what they report.

 

[dybmh]

How can the asylum from black magic, be affected by it?

Maybe it's not. The ones affected by it, are the ones affected by it

 

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Is it reasonable for me as Christian when i am confronted with such information that i should ask myself was that really from God?

And about context:
Surah 5:60
"Say should I tell you about an evil as judgment from Allah, the one which
Allah curses him, and being angry of them, and made from them
monkeys and pigs those who worshipped evil;- these are worse in
position, and far more astray from the right path!"
Do you known the real interpretation of this Surah?
Who in the world would think that God The Almighty punished Jews and turn them into monkeys and pigs because they went fishing on Saturday just to bring food to their children?
And it was explained to me that it was intentionaly, the fish dissapeared entire week and apeared Saturday..
Take your conclusion...
I would say that contradicts Surah 5:3
"But if any is forced by hunger, with no inclination to transgression, Allah is indeed Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful"

Don't get me wrong , you have your reasons for beliving it , but just wanted to see how would you answer this kind of questions.And take my stand to see of my point of view how it looks.

Peace,

From what I understand, they decided to broke the covenant of the Sabbath and consequences were already promised. It was not out of hunger, but to make more profit.

Musa (a) per Quran faced intense trouble from his people. They believed in him at first, but start questioning him later, and bothering him. They also disobeyed Haroun (a) and worshiped a calf.

This was to test them so as to steer them in direction. The Quran says when he turned them into animals - the ones who broke the Sabbath - it was admonishment to those of that time and those after.

This way, it was to show, God can punish in this world. Some similar punishments occurred during Mohammad (s) time with some people who rejected miracles as well after promising they would accept them.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Arabia use to worship Satan outwardly and openly with no shame

When did Arabia ever worship Satan? My understanding is that before Islam, Arabia was polytheistic. I don't think they even believed in Satan at that time.

 

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Maybe it's not. The ones affected by it, are the ones affected by it

Peace,

The missiles and stars and lanterns and manifest fires that Quran talks about as weapons for believers against dark magic and devils, are the Ahlulbayt (a).

When Mohammad (s) came to this world (even before his Prophethood), the reality was augmented for God's close Angels, and a lot of the powers of soothsayers were subdued including the Jinn companions they have and astral projection abilities of theirs to reach heaven and hear from it.

So God's plans are ultra secret now. Believers who participate in this plan, are also veiled by God's light (Ahlulbayt) and given asylum against dark magic, or otherwise, the plans can be compromised.

If a believer with help of God can shatter black magic than what of the help of God himself that helps believers? He won't be subdued by it.

 

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When did Arabia ever worship Satan? My understanding is that before Islam, Arabia was polytheistic. I don't think they even believed in Satan at that time.

Peace,

They didn't believe him to be bad of course, but they were linked with him, to the extent, that he appeared to them before one battle and promise he and his forces would show up against believers and the forces (Angels) with him.

All polytheists end up in the end worshiping Iblis and his forces. This is true of all times. They might assume they are Angels at first, or good spirits, or guardians from God, but over time, they know they are worshiping the wrong forces, but stubbornly continue to do that.

They might still worship the Creator, but they associate Satan and his forces with God and even see them as descendants of God and his equals to a large extent.

Not only that, but the Taghut is a Kahen that Satan directly is the companion too. The Taghut is the father of the flame as well. The uncle of Mohammad (s) had that position and so when they witnessed miracles from Mohammad (s) and Ali (a), they thought of it to be higher magic, but they didn't accept Mohammad (s) despite miracles.

Their viewpoint was that their gods would come to their rescue, and Satan even wanted to, but than cowardly saw God's forces and fear Allah (swt) the Lord of the worlds, who he doesn't believe to be what we believe it to be.

 

[Dimi95]

Peace upon you friend,

There was a conspiracy against Islam. Arabia use to worship Satan outwardly and openly with no shame, and were into all sorts of dark magic. However, the Nabi (s) in Quran is said to be a refuge for believers against black magic. How can the asylum from black magic, be affected by it? How can the holy power and spirit from God to help believers against it, be effect by black magic?

I don't know the chain you are narrating, but son of Umar and Aisha, I believe to be both enemies of God, his Messenger, and his family.

So I would not believe in what they report.

I get your defence,truly i understand that.
Have you tried to find historical evidence and how reliable can that evidence be?

I was told that you are student.
Honest suggestion - seek,learn,and try to be more flexible , don't lose your faith , that's your strongest weapon.

God bless you

 

[IndigoChild5559]

They didn't believe him to be bad of course, but they were linked with him, to the extent, that he appeared to them before one battle and promise he and his forces would show up against believers and the forces (Angels) with him.

All polytheists end up in the end worshiping Iblis and his forces. This is true of all times. They might assume they are Angels at first, or good spirits, or guardians from God, but over time, they know they are worshiping the wrong forces, but stubbornly continue to do that.

They might still worship the Creator, but they associate Satan and his forces with God and even see them as descendants of God and his equals to a large extent.

You can't worship Satan if you don't even believe in him. Satan was not one of the gods in the polytheistic pantheon that existed prior to Islam.

 

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You can't worship Satan if you don't even believe in him. Satan was not one of the gods in the polytheistic pantheon that existed prior to Islam.

You really believe people in Tarot and all that stuff, don't know Satan is behind it? They might deny it, but they all know deep inside, that Satan is behind that stuff.

Satan is always worshipped heedlessly but deep inside people recognize him. They choose to ignore him and pretend there is no evil enemy.

Satan was warned about by Judaism and Christianity, even if distorted, it had enough light and truth to warn about Satan the enemy of mankind.

 

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You can't worship Satan if you don't even believe in him.

It's the inverse. If you believe in what he truly he is, then you see the evil and won't worship him. Satan appears with truth and falsehood mixed, never, does he present falsehood purely. Will at least not at first, he layers polytheism in society and has stages before he reveals "his truth" when the disciples are ready.

 

[Dimi95]

It's the inverse. If you believe in what he truly he is, then you see the evil and won't worship him.Satan appears with truth and falsehood mixed, never, does he present falsehood purely.Will at least not at first, he layers polytheism in society and has stages before he reveals "his truth" when the disciples are ready.

You will know them by their fruits..

And remember what i bolded in your post.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

You really believe people in Tarot and all that stuff, don't know Satan is behind it? They might deny it, but they all know deep inside, that Satan is behind that stuff.

Satan is always worshipped heedlessly but deep inside people recognize him. They choose to ignore him and pretend there is no evil enemy.

Satan was warned about by Judaism and Christianity, even if distorted, it had enough light and truth to warn about Satan the enemy of mankind.

What I'm saying is that worship is a conscious deliberate act. You cannot accidently worship anything. Thus, if someone doesn't even believe in Satan, it is impossible for them to worship him.

I do not personally recommend that people engage in occult activities such as doing Tarot. However, I think it would be a lie to say someone worships Satan simply because they do Tarot.

BTW, you should become aware that Satan in Judaism is not at all like the Satan of Christianity or Islam. There tends to be two commonly held beliefs by Jews. The first is that Satan is not a literal entity, but is only a metaphor for our own evil inclination. The second view is that Satan is an angel, one of God's employees, who can only do what God allows -- angels are not believed to have free will, so they don't rebel against God. I realize that this is probably quite different than what you personally believe.

 

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This translation is not mine, but this is found in Tuhufaqal Uqool


Harun asked the Imam (7th Imam) about the first one who apostatized and became an atheist. The Imam (peace be upon him) answered:

The first one who apostatized and became an atheist in the heavens was Eblis the cursed. He showed arrogance and took pride in himself against Adam (peace be upon him) the choice and confidant of God. The cursed said - as it is mentioned in the Quran-:

I am better than Adam, for You have created me out of fire and Adam out of clay. [309]

Thus, he rejected the Lord’s orders and became atheist. His offspring inherited atheism from him.

Harun wondered whether Eblis has offspring. The Imam (peace be upon him) answered:

Eblis has offspring. Listen to God’s saying:

When We told the angels to prostrate before Adam they all obeyed except Eblis. He was a jinn and he sinned against the command of his Lord. Why do you (people) obey him and his offspring instead of Me, even though they are your enemies? How terrible will be the recompense that the wrong doers will receive! I did not call (the unjust) to witness the creation of the heavens and earth nor to witness their own creation nor did I want to be helped by those who lead people astray. [310]

They mislead the offspring of Adam through their false vanities and lies. Meanwhile, they declare that there is no god but Allah. God describes them in His following saying:

If you ask them, "Who has created the heavens and the earth," they will certainly say, "God has created them." Say, "It is only God who deserves all praise, but most of them do not know." [311]

This means that they declare so only with their tongues because they used to say so as one of their customs. He who does not believe, even if he declares with the tongue, will be suspicious, envious, and resistant.

What I'm saying is that worship is a conscious deliberate act. You cannot accidently worship anything. Thus, if someone doesn't even believe in Satan, it is impossible for them to worship him.

I do not personally recommend that people engage in occult activities such as doing Tarot. However, I think it would be a lie to say someone worships Satan simply because they do Tarot.

BTW, you should become aware that Satan in Judaism is not at all like the Satan of Christianity or Islam. There tends to be two commonly held beliefs by Jews. The first is that Satan is not a literal entity, but is only a metaphor for our own evil inclination. The second view is that Satan is an angel, one of God's employees, who can only do what God allows -- angels are not believed to have free will, so they don't rebel against God. I realize that this is probably quite different than what you personally believe.

Quran shows people can even worship their desires and take their desire as a god. This is an issue of how to define worship. To me it's simply what you value most. In this sense, even a person who does not believe in supernatural or spiritual entities or spiritual kingdom, worships something, and has a god.

Iblis has mixed his traits in so many entities, that if we incline to his spirit through those entities including people and value that false identity on par with God, then we worship Iblis.

The hardest thing is he appears in our soul. There is an identity from him that is self-centered and selfish, and is arrogant and envious. If we value that on par with God, we equated Satan with God whether we know it to be Satan or think to be our own self.

 

[dybmh]

If a believer with help of God can shatter black magic than what of the help of God himself that helps believers?

I propose that the help will overflow, and cascade, and bringing blessings beyond the believer.

 

[dybmh]

The missiles and stars and lanterns and manifest fires that Quran talks

Chapters and verses?

 

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Chapters and verses?

I made the following post before:

The Star and sky realities in Quran and hadiths


وَلَوْ فَتَحْنَا عَلَيْهِمْ بَابًا مِنَ السَّمَاءِ فَظَلُّوا فِيهِ يَعْرُجُونَ | Were We to open for them a gate of the sky, so that they could go on ascending through it, | Al-Hijr : 14

لَقَالُوا إِنَّمَا سُكِّرَتْ أَبْصَارُنَا بَلْ نَحْنُ قَوْمٌ مَسْحُورُونَ | they would surely say, ‘Indeed our vision is intoxicated; indeed, we are a bewitched lot.’ | Al-Hijr : 15

وَلَقَدْ جَعَلْنَا فِي السَّمَاءِ بُرُوجًا وَزَيَّنَّاهَا لِلنَّاظِرِينَ | Certainly We have made strongholds in the sky and adorned them for the onlookers, | Al-Hijr : 16

وَحَفِظْنَاهَا مِنْ كُلِّ شَيْطَانٍ رَجِيمٍ | and We have guarded it from every outcast Satan, | Al-Hijr : 17

إِلَّا مَنِ اسْتَرَقَ السَّمْعَ فَأَتْبَعَهُ شِهَابٌ مُبِينٌ | except someone who may eavesdrop, whereat there pursues him a manifest flame. | Al-Hijr : 18



The verses before also mention that God will not reveal to humans Angels, and part of the philosophy why is that unseen guides and lanterns he wishes out of his wisdom, to be humans among them as well that walk among them and show an example in the physical world as well.

But focusing on these verses, we see even if the disbelievers would be connected to Mohammad's (s) higher reality, they will accuse him of doing sorcery.

Here is the hadith about "stars" (burooj, same word use in verse Al-Hijr 16) from the Nabi (s):

المفيد : حدثنا الصدوق حدثنا محمد بن موسى بن المتوكل عن محمد بن ابي عبدالله الكوفي عن موسى بن عمران ([31][33]) عن عمه الحسين بن يزيد عن علي بن سالم عن ابيه علن سالم بن دينار عن سعد بن طريف عن الاصبغ بن نباتة قال : سمعت ابن عباس يقول : قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه واله : ذكر الله عز وجل عبادة ، وذكري عبادة ، وذكر علي عبادة ، وذكر الائمة من ولده عبادة ، والذي بعثني بالنبوة وجعلني خير البرية ، إن وصي لافضل الاوصياء ، وإنه لحجة الله على عباده ، وخليفته على خلقه ، ومن ولده الائمة الهداة بعدي ، بهم يحبس الله عن أهل الارض ، وبهم يمسك السماء ان تقع على الارض إلا بإذنه ، وبهم يمسك السماء ان تميد بهم ، وبهم يسقى خلقه الغيث ، وبهم يخرج النبات ، أولئك أولياء الله حقاً وخلفاؤه صدقاً ، عدتهم عدة الشهور ، وهي اثنا عشر شهراً ، وعدتهم عدة نقباء موسى بن عمران عليه السلام ، ثم تلا هذه الاية ( والسماء ذات البروج ) ، ثم قال : اتُقَدِّر ـ يابن عباس ـ أن الله يقسم بالسماء ذات البروج ، ويعني به السماء وبروجها ؟ قلت : يارسول الله ، فما ذاك ، قال : اما السماء فأنا ، واما البروج فالائمة بعدي ، أولهم علي وآخرهم المهدي ([32][34]) .


Quoted from Ibn Abbas from Rasool (s): The remembrance of god is worship, and remembrance of me is worship, and remembrance of Ali is worship, and remembrance of the leaders from his sons is worship, and I swear by the one who brought me up as a Prophet and made me the best of creatures - my successor is the best of successor and he is God's proof on his servants, and his ruler/representative on his creation, and from his sons is the leaders of guidance after me by them does God account on the people of earth, and by them does he prevent the sky from falling on the people of the earth by his permission, and by them does he stop the sky from destroying them, and by them does he bring down the rain, and by them does he bring about the harvest, and these God's Walis by truth and his rulers/representatives truly, and their number is that of the luminaries (to be sought for illumination) and they are twelve luminaries (to be sought from illumination) and their number is that of the Captains of Musa son of Imran, and they are twelve then he recited the verse "And by the sky full of stars" then said "On Son of Abbas, do you think that God would swear by the sky full of stars and he means the (physical) sky and it's stars? so I said "O Messenger of God what is it then?" He said "as for the sky/heaven it's me, as for the stars they are the leaders after me, first of them is Ali and last of them is the Mahdi".



We see also in this Ziyarat of Imam Zainal Abideen (a):

"O coolness of the vision of those who look and the Gnostics"

We also find of "O light of the strivers" "O Lamp of the worlds"

In fact, similar words are found in many Ziyarats.

There is also a large portion of hadiths that say Imams (a) are the "carriers of the throne".



The connector is the Imam of time





وَإِنْ كَانَ كَبُرَ عَلَيْكَ إِعْرَاضُهُمْ فَإِنِ اسْتَطَعْتَ أَنْ تَبْتَغِيَ نَفَقًا فِي الْأَرْضِ أَوْ سُلَّمًا فِي السَّمَاءِ فَتَأْتِيَهُمْ بِآيَةٍ ۚ وَلَوْ شَاءَ اللَّهُ لَجَمَعَهُمْ عَلَى الْهُدَىٰ ۚ فَلَا تَكُونَنَّ مِنَ الْجَاهِلِينَ | And should their aversion be hard on you, find, if you can, seek a tunnel into the ground, or a ladder into sky, that you may bring them a sign. Had Allah wished, He would have brought them together on guidance. So do not be one of the ignorant. | Al-An'aam : 35



Pay attention that this a sign type and that this sign type is called the guidance. Of course Mohammad (s) was commanded to connect whoever he can, and same with Imam Mahdi (a).

And so what does this mean? It means seeking help of Imam Mahdi (a) and asking God to make us see through his hands, and be guided to see him, as many of the prayers regarding Imam Mahdi (a) teach is not really appealing to God and Imam to connect us since God has already displayed his wish for the Imam of time to connect all people and Jinn that he can.

Imam Jaffar (a) says about Du'a:

Reflect about what you ask for and why you are asking: supplication should be a total response to the Truth on your part, and a melting of the heart in contemplation of its Lord. It is to abandon all choices and to surrender all matters, both outward and inward, to Allah. If the preconditions of the supplication are not met, then do not look for fulfillment, for He knows what is secret and what is hidden; you might ask Him for something when He knows that you conceal the opposite of it.

(Misbahal Shariah, section on supplication)

So really when we ask to see this reality, it's about us changing ourselves to submit to God and come to terms with it. Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) ordered Mohammad (s) in verse 6:35 if he can to connect whoever he can. But the reality is he could not due to the hearts of people running away from God.

We read in Du'a Nudba:

ايْنَ ٱلسَّبَبُ ٱلْمُتَّصِلُ بَيْنَ ٱلارْضِ وَٱلسَّمَاءِ

ayna alssababu almuttasilu bayna al-ardi walssama'i

Where is the means of access that is connectedly extended between the earth and the heavens.


Imam Mahdi (s) similarly will connect whoever he can.



Blindness to the signs (of these type) is not acceptable



يَوْمَ نَدْعُو كُلَّ أُنَاسٍ بِإِمَامِهِمْ ۖ فَمَنْ أُوتِيَ كِتَابَهُ بِيَمِينِهِ فَأُولَٰئِكَ يَقْرَءُونَ كِتَابَهُمْ وَلَا يُظْلَمُونَ فَتِيلًا | The day We shall summon every group of people along with their imam, then whoever is given his book in his right hand—they will read it, and they will not be wronged so much as a single date-thread. | Al-Israa : 71

وَمَنْ كَانَ فِي هَٰذِهِ أَعْمَىٰ فَهُوَ فِي الْآخِرَةِ أَعْمَىٰ وَأَضَلُّ سَبِيلًا | But whoever has been blind in this [world], will be blind in the Hereafter, and [even] more astray from the

way. | Al-Israa : 72



These is this hadith:



في التوحيد عن الباقر عليه السلام في هذه الآية من لم يدلّه خلق السماوات والأرض واختلاف الليل والنهار ودوران الفلك والشمس والقمر والآيات العجيبات على أنّ وراء ذلك أمراً أعظم منه فهو في الآخرة أعمى وأضلّ سَبيلاً.



Imam Baqir (a) says regarding this verse (Isra, 72) whoever the creation of the heavens and earth and turning of night and day and rotation of the cosmos and sun and moon and the wonderous signs regarding from what is after that is a matter greater then him so he will be blind and more astray.

And this:

وفي العيون عن الرضا عليه السلام إيّاك وقول الجهال أهل العمى والضلال الذين يزعمُون أنّ الله جلّ وتقدّس موجود في الآخرة للحساب والثواب والعقاب وليسَ بموجود في الدنيا للطاعة والرجاء ولو كان في الوجود لله عز ّوجلّ نقص واهتضام لم يوجد في الآخرة أبداً ولكن القوم تاهوا وعموا وصمّوا عن الحق من حيث لا يعلمُون وذلك قوله عّز وجلّ من كان في هذه أعمى فهو في الآخرة أعمى وأضلّ سبيلاً يعني أعمى عن الحقائق الموجودة.



al-Rida, peace be upon him, beware of the sayings of the ignorant people of blindness and misguidance who claim that God, majestic and sanctified, is present in the Hereafter for reckoning, reward and punishment, and is not present in this world for obedience and hope. The Truth from whence they do not know, and that is what He, the Exalted and Majestic, says, whoever is blind in this world is blind in the Hereafter and is more astray from the path, meaning blind to the realities that are present.

My comment: This is a short saying we cannot fully see God in this world or next, whatever we blind to in this world, we will be blind to in next, and since we cannot fully see God, the blindness talked about is with the realities that are present to see.



وفي الخصال عن أمير المؤمنين عليه السلام أشدّ العمى من عمِي عن فضلنا وناصَبَنا العداوة بلا ذنب سبق إليه منّا إلاّ أن دعونا إلى الحق ودعاه من سوانا إلى الفتنة والدنيا فأتاهما ونصب البراءة منّا والعداوة.

the Commander of the Faithful, peace be upon him, the most severest in blindness is who is blind to our virtue and has enmity with us without a sin that preceded him from us, except that we called him to the truth and others called him to sedition and the world, so he came to them and expressed his detachment from us and enmity.



وفي الكافي والعياشي والقمي عن الصادق عليه السلام أنّه سئل عن هذه الآية فقال ذلك الذي يسوف نفسه الحجّ يعني حجّة الإسلام حتى يأتيه الموت.



As-Sadiq (a) was asked about this verse, so he said "By this he means what he attributes himself of proof meaning the proof of Islam until death comes to him"

My comments:

Putting these hadiths together, we can see the proof and virtues of Ahlulbayt (a) has to do with the "present realities" that we cannot be blind to.

As other verses have talked about "the stars" and Nabi (s) says this is his family (a), we ought to know we need to see them.

Again, when we ask God per Imam Jaffar (A), it's not about God and Ahlulbayt (a) doing their part, but for God to help us do our part so that we submit our hearts and stop rebelling and running away so as to see these realities. It's about our hearts needing to submit to God's will. We see Imam (a) is already commanded to connect whoever he can to this reality.

In Short: Asking Imam for this connection and help is just a formality to make our hearts submit. It's about getting our hearts to submit to God and this reality of Imams (a) and Imam Mahdi (a) as connector to this reality and his family (a) in the sky. Stop running away from Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) and this reality to Dunya in short, is what really "Ya Ali Madad" should be about.​

 

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Chapters and verses?

There are many verses.

وَلَقَدْ زَيَّنَّا السَّمَاءَ الدُّنْيَا بِمَصَابِيحَ وَجَعَلْنَاهَا رُجُومًا لِلشَّيَاطِينِ ۖ وَأَعْتَدْنَا لَهُمْ عَذَابَ السَّعِيرِ | We have certainly adorned the heaven/sky of the world with lamps, and made them [the means of pelting] missiles against the devils, and We have prepared for them a punishment of the Blaze. | Al-Mulk : 5

It's a whole theme in Quran.

Surah Jinn talks about the augmentation so that Jinn can no longer eavesdrop, and the same is true of astral projectors who have not been given permission from God.