How do you detect "design"?

[Pogo]

That is the truth that is transparent. That's why they only launch personal attacks and disqualifications.

I was reading a certain dialogue where a participant asks how to know if he has to support someone for telling the truth, and the answer he received is that if the person does not belong to his group, nothing he says is acceptable. It is blatant prejudice; Either you accept their point of view or they are going to mistreat you in every possible way.

That's the plan behind the plan: psychological warfare. Take care of yourself and be strong. Trust in God, because the wicked will disappear in a short time, as the Scripture says:

Psal. 37:7 Keep silent before Jehovah
And wait expectantly for him.
Do not be upset by the man
Who succeeds in carrying out his schemes.
8 Let go of anger and abandon rage;
Do not become upset and turn to doing evil.
9 For evil men will be done away with,
But those hoping in Jehovah will possess the earth
10 Just a little while longer, and the wicked will be no more;
You will look at where they were,
And they will not be there.
11 But the meek will possess the earth,
And they will find exquisite delight in the abundance of peace.
12 The wicked man plots against the righteous;
He grinds his teeth at him.
13 But Jehovah will laugh at him,
For He knows that his day will come.
14 The wicked draw their swords and bend their bows
To bring down the oppressed and the poor,
To slaughter those whose way is upright.
15 But their sword will pierce their own heart;
Their bows will be broken.
16 Better is the little of the righteous one
Than the abundance of many wicked ones.
17 For the arms of the wicked will be broken,
But Jehovah will support the righteous.

PS: When I go around the world talking to others about the promises of God, I focus on those who have a good attitude, because they are honest toward the truth.

Take the preaching to an appropriate forum.

 

[leroy]

It's YOU who's insisting that QR codes can somehow be natural as opposed to designed/manufactured objects.
I'm only replying because YOU are insisting on making these ridiculous statements.

Straw man……………..what I said is that the data inserted in the QR generator could be designed or non designed

While your "method" can only recognize a QR code as a manufactured / designed thing, if it actually works.
If not, apparantly a QR code in your universe is indistinguishable from a random rock produced by a natural process.

Why do you insist in this dishonest approach?..........why do you keep misrepresenting what I said?

All I am saying is that the data inserted in the QR generator could be designed or non-designed.

If the QR opens a website…………..then it (the data) was obviously designed.

Why is it so hard for you to grant this obvious and uncontroversial truth?

 

[leroy]

That's asking a miracle. It just doesn't happen in this forum.

I wonder why?

 

[YoursTrue]

\wWell even if we are wrong, we know that you are wronger!

Which tells me you don't know anything...lol

 

[SkepticThinker]

Since they are programmed bots that mostly post in this forum and in many other forums on the Internet, the only thing they can do is repeat clichés that are entered into their database. They cannot reason about anything they are told, because they are not human beings.

Anyone who reads a response from another forum member can clearly tell whether he is a real person or a machine. Machines do not respond to anything, they only repeat what is programmed into them.

I consider it a shame that Internet debate site managers hire/permit these kinds of machines to influence the public. Although you can't expect more from people who believe that only the strong survive; Honesty is not really a characteristic of the "strong" from the point of view of evolutionists. Didn't you hear it said that people act according to how they think?

Is this your way of telling us you're a bot?

 

[YoursTrue]

I wonder why?

because -- that is what the Bible indicates. You will believe as you do, and others believe as they do, in opposition to each other. Now, since some of us believe in God, I will wait for Him and I believe He will determine outcomes for each and every person.

 

[Eli G]

because -- that is what the Bible indicates. You will believe as you do, and others believe as they do, in opposition to each other. Now, since some of us believe in God, I will wait for Him and I believe He will determine outcomes for each and every person.

The reason why is more mundane than that.
This website is been compromised; it's not a place for free debate anymore.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I wonder why?

Not directly related.
But if a computer(designed) runs a QR program (designed) with QR code also designed, how does that relate to the universe as such. For the uiverse what is the computer, the program and the code?

 

[Eli G]

The question to debate is HOW TO DETECT DESIGN?

I wonder what's the real purpose of posting a debate about that. Is the thread's author really interested in how to identify that something was designed or not?

The entire Universe shows design, because it is kept functioning under immovable laws, so it was originally made with purpose. Something that serves a purpose and remains capable of serving that purpose can be considered designed, in my opinion.

 

[McBell]

The entire Universe shows design, because it is kept functioning under immovable laws, so it was originally made with purpose. Something that serves a purpose and remains capable of serving that purpose can be considered designed, in my opinion.

So basically you are simply saying "I believe the universe is designed because it looks to me it was designed"?

What is the purpose of the universe?

 

[leroy]

I started it, and you demonstrated that SC is worthless as a design detection method.
View attachment 91839

Which one of these is SC and why?
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If any of those QR opens a website, a menu, a video, a document etc……….then it (the information that you inserted in the QR generator) would be design.

Why?

Because it would be SC

Why would it be SC?

Because a QR with the specific codes (lettesr numbers) that open a website would have these 3 characteristics:

1 complex: many parts, (many letters, numbers etc.) and many possible combinations.

2 specified: they are organized in a pattern that can be independently known or identified (it opens a web site)

3 the laws of nature, don’t favor useful QRs that open websites over random noise.



In other words, there are many possible combinations of letters and numbers that can be inserted in a QR generator…………….but of all the possible combinations………only a very very small percentage would represent a correct combination of numbers letters etc... that would open a website.

Is it really that hard to understand?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

If any of those QR opens a website, a menu, a video, a document etc……….then it (the information that you inserted in the QR generator) would be design.

Why?

Because it would be SC

Why would it be SC?

Because a QR with the specific codes (lettesr numbers) that open a website would have these 3 characteristics:

1 complex: many parts, (many letters, numbers etc.) and many possible combinations.

2 specified: they are organized in a pattern that can be independently known or identified (it opens a web site)

3 the laws of nature, don’t favor useful QRs that open websites over random noise.



In other words, there are many possible combinations of letters and numbers that can be inserted in a QR generator…………….but of all the possible combinations………only a very very small percentage would represent a correct combination of numbers letters etc... that would open a website.

Is it really that hard to understand?

Again, now apply your method to the universe as such for a computer, program and code and explain what that has to do with the universe.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Straw man……………..what I said is that the data inserted in the QR generator could be designed or non designed



Why do you insist in this dishonest approach?..........why do you keep misrepresenting what I said?

All I am saying is that the data inserted in the QR generator could be designed or non-designed.

If the QR opens a website…………..then it (the data) was obviously designed.

Why is it so hard for you to grant this obvious and uncontroversial truth?

Even if the QR doesn't open a website, it was still obviously and demonstrably designed. As already pointed out.

 

[SkepticThinker]

The reason why is more mundane than that.
This website is been compromised; it's not a place for free debate anymore.

Myself and other posters are practically begging you to engage and debate with our counterarguments. You have refused at every turn.
Sounds like some introspection is in order, rather than an admonishment of the website which very much is allowing for open and free debate. You just refuse to take part in it for some reason. The rest of us are having no problem with it.

 

[Eli G]

I think the QRs are a very complicated example to say that the probability that random processes result in a complex system is zero.

I would use other examples: what is the probability that the distance between the sun, the earth and the moon has adjusted by itself, without anyone (like the Creator using his power) moving them somehow, to the point of being able to watching from the surface of the earth the corona of the sun in a total solar eclipse?

 

[McBell]

I think the QRs are a very complicated example to say that the probability that random processes result in a complex system is zero.

I would use other examples: what is the probability that the distance between the sun, the earth and the moon has adjusted by itself, without anyone (like the Creator using his power) moving them somehow, to the point of being able to see the corona of the sun in a total solar eclipse?

Puddle
Douglas Adams

 

[Eli G]

If the moon, the earth and the sun are only spatial bodies that came out of the same supposedly chaotic processes that formed the rest of the celestial bodies

.... how is it that they were accommodated at the right distance to allow the processes that we know are the result of that distance, which cannot vary so that the results in favor of life on the planet remain the same?

 

[McBell]

If the moon, the earth and the sun are only spatial bodies that came out of the same supposedly chaotic processes that formed the rest of the celestial bodies

.... how is it that they were accommodated at the right distance to allow the processes that we know are the result of that distance, which cannot vary so that the results in favor of life on the planet remain the same?

It is most interesting how you completely ignore this quote every time it is presented, but here, once again I will completely destroy your "argument" with it.

Feel free to once again ignore it:

“This is rather as if you imagine a puddle waking up one morning and thinking, 'This is an interesting world I find myself in — an interesting hole I find myself in — fits me rather neatly, doesn't it? In fact it fits me staggeringly well, must have been made to have me in it!'​

~Douglas Adams​

 

[Eli G]

I think the QRs are a very complicated example to say that the probability that random processes result in a complex system is zero.

I would use other examples: what is the probability that the distance between the sun, the earth and the moon has adjusted by itself, without anyone (like the Creator using his power) moving them somehow, to the point of being able to watching from the surface of the earth the corona of the sun in a total solar eclipse?

For those with small minds:

Only the crown of the sun can be observed because the visible size of the moon occupies exactly the visible size of the sun due to the distance in which the three bodies are located in the space. If the distance varied, we would not be able to enjoy that spectacle.

PS: Idiots often think of themselves as brainy.

 

[leroy]

The reason why is more mundane than that.
This website is been compromised; it's not a place for free debate anymore.

The issue seems to be, that people want to “win” debates……rather than learning and having honest dialogues.