How do you see it?

[Jumi]

Regarding the op,

I think it's a nice idea that everyone would get along. Religious and secular folks all demanding human dignity and defending it for everyone. It's worth to daydream sometimes. It feels quite far away though.

 

[paarsurrey]

Regarding the op,

I think it's a nice idea that everyone would get along. Religious and secular folks all demanding human dignity and defending it for everyone. It's worth to daydream sometimes. It feels quite far away though.

Sometimes or often the dreams come true.
This is my world-view, and the world needs it.
Right?
Regards

 

[Muffled]

But how could you possibly know that you have the Holy Spirit?

How do you know that you are speaking or writing on behalf of the Holy Spirit?

I don't get anything that you have written come from Holy Spirit. Nor do I get anything from the gospels or epistles. I have read the claims for the existence of the Holy Spirit, but nothing in it, that would suggest it was divinely inspired.

I believe i discern the Holy Spirit by His character which is all through the Bible and the Qu'ran.

I believe I am observing.

I believe my wife couldn't understand any of the Bible. Understanding comes through the Holy Spirit so a lack of understanding shows a lack of The Holy Spirit. So I believe the fact that it is there and you missed it says a lot.

 

[paarsurrey]

I believe i discern the Holy Spirit by His character which is all through the Bible and the Qu'ran.

I believe I am observing.

I believe my wife couldn't understand any of the Bible. Understanding comes through the Holy Spirit so a lack of understanding shows a lack of The Holy Spirit. So I believe the fact that it is there and you missed it says a lot.

Does the Holy Spirit talk to you as say one of your close friends talk to you?
Regards

 

[gnostic]

I believe i discern the Holy Spirit by His character which is all through the Bible and the Qu'ran.

I believe I am observing.

I believe my wife couldn't understand any of the Bible. Understanding comes through the Holy Spirit so a lack of understanding shows a lack of The Holy Spirit. So I believe the fact that it is there and you missed it says a lot.

but how do you know that the Holy Spirit is involved in anyway, other than belief and blind faith in those belief you have.

 

[Muffled]

Does the Holy Spirit talk to you as say one of your close friends talk to you?
Regards

I believe He speaks to my mind the words flowing into it as it would be words flowing into my mind from reading a book. He also speaks through me, taking over my mind and controlling what I say.

 

[Muffled]

but how do you know that the Holy Spirit is involved in anyway, other than belief and blind faith in those belief you have.

I believe first I know this is what God does because it is what He said He would do. Second I believe he has spoken a prophecy that came ture which helps identiiify Him as God.

 

[gnostic]

I believe first I know this is what God does because it is what He said He would do. Second I believe he has spoken a prophecy that came ture which helps identiiify Him as God.

Again, that sound more like blind faith and superstition. You still don't know if it is "true" or "real".

You are going by "I wish this is true", because that what "believe" mean.

And faith is nothing than a biased opinion of what a person believe in.

And prophecy is often spoken or written in vague way that's often may be interpret in a number of different ways. So any interpretation to these prophecies could be right or they all (interpretations) could be wrong. And often these prophecies were written long after something have happened, so they are not really "prophecy".

 

[viole]

I believe my wife couldn't understand any of the Bible. Understanding comes through the Holy Spirit so a lack of understanding shows a lack of The Holy Spirit. So I believe the fact that it is there and you missed it says a lot.

It is not us who missed it. It is the Holy Spirit who missed us, apparently.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Muffled]

It is not us who missed it. It is the Holy Spirit who missed us, apparently.

Ciao

- viole

Do you really believe you ought to teach God what to say?

 

[viole]

Do you really believe you ought to teach God what to say?

Yes.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Muffled]

Again, that sound more like blind faith and superstition. You still don't know if it is "true" or "real".

You are going by "I wish this is true", because that what "believe" mean.

And faith is nothing than a biased opinion of what a person believe in.

And prophecy is often spoken or written in vague way that's often may be interpret in a number of different ways. So any interpretation to these prophecies could be right or they all (interpretations) could be wrong. And often these prophecies were written long after something have happened, so they are not really "prophecy".

My prophecy was recent, same day fulfillment. It was specific enough to be understood. It was a unique event.

I believe I do know that it is real.

I go by the word "believe" because RF rules require it not because that is what I mean.

I believe faith is what one has when one can expect a result from a dependable source.

 

[Muffled]

Again, that sound more like blind faith and superstition. You still don't know if it is "true" or "real".

You are going by "I wish this is true", because that what "believe" mean.

And faith is nothing than a biased opinion of what a person believe in.

And prophecy is often spoken or written in vague way that's often may be interpret in a number of different ways. So any interpretation to these prophecies could be right or they all (interpretations) could be wrong. And often these prophecies were written long after something have happened, so they are not really "prophecy".

I am finding it difficult how one can view objective reasoning as blind faith or superstition.

I am going by the rules of RF that say I can only believe things and never know things are true. I am not guilty of wishful thinking in this case because I don't have an axe to grind. I will admit that I prefer the God that is preented in the Bible to the vagaries of men's sinfulness but that does not help my belief only makes it more palpitable. I also believe the devil exists but I wish there were no such thing.

I believe this is a total misconception of faith. Faith means things have been tried and found to be true over and over again.

I believe this is a generality. Some prophecies are vague and others are explicit.

I believe it is difficult to construe how a prophecy will work out but when it does it becomes obvious and all the false speculations about it have no value.

I believe a prophecy is a real prophecy no matter when it is written. Writing after the fact one can write how the prophecy turned out. I write about my prophesy after the fact and it is no less a prophecy that was fulfilled and writing afeter the fact I can report how it was fulfilled.

 

[paarsurrey]

paarsurrey said: ↑
Defending all revealed religion in origin in ethical, moral and spiritual matters.
In secular matters supporting Atheists against irrational and mythical thoughts.
Open for discussion to Theists and Atheists alike.
Regards

Regarding the op,
I think it's a nice idea that everyone would get along. Religious and secular folks all demanding human dignity and defending it for everyone. It's worth to daydream sometimes. It feels quite far away though.

This is no day-dreaming, it is the world-view of my Ahmadiyya community of peaceful Islam in 206 countries.
Regards

 

[Thief]

paarsurrey said: ↑
Defending all revealed religion in origin in ethical, moral and spiritual matters.
In secular matters supporting Atheists against irrational and mythical thoughts.
Open for discussion to Theists and Atheists alike.
Regards

This is no day-dreaming, it is the world-view of my Ahmadiyya community of peaceful Islam in 206 countries.
Regards

gotta ask.....is that 206 peaceful countries?
or your desire for peace in those same countries?

I actually saw, what appeared to have been a cleric, stand to a podium and mic........and make the declaration....
Islam is not a religion of peace.

He was booed and hissed immediately
the audience didn't like it.
they let him continue after his opening statement......but there was no applause.

 

[Jumi]

I don't think this cleric was an Ahmadiyya, they have been pretty clear on the peace thing.

 

[paarsurrey]

I don't think this cleric was an Ahmadiyya, they have been pretty clear on the peace thing.

I appreciate your reply.
Thanks

 

[Desert Snake]

It is not us who missed it. It is the Holy Spirit who missed us, apparently.

Ciao

- viole

Not really. People are converting to religions left and right; atheism isn't holding up.

 

[paarsurrey]

Not really. People are converting to religions left and right; atheism isn't holding up.

That is because Atheism holds no water of life in it?
Regards

 

[leibowde84]

Defending all revealed religions in origin in ethical, moral and spiritual matters.
In secular matters supporting Atheists against irrational and mythical thoughts.
Open for discussion to Theists and Atheists alike.
Regards

Depending on logic, reason, experimentation and verifiable evidence is always a safe bet. And, it's admirable to be prudent, witholding absolute conclusions until sufficient verifiable evidence is available. Theists far too often arrogantly trust their own beliefs or assumptions rather than allowing the known and verifiable evidence to lead their understanding. They might be wrong, but at least they aren't jumping to any conclusions and are willing to change.