Agnostic75
Well-Known Member
nekoboy said:
Evidence please.
What is your solution to homosexuality? Reparative therapy fails at least 70% of the time, and even moreso for homosexuals who are not religiously motivated.
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How does homosexual activity benefit society?
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Evidence please.
What is your solution to homosexuality? Reparative therapy fails at least 70% of the time, and even moreso for homosexuals who are not religiously motivated.
nekoboy
Teenage neko
It comes AWFULLY close to pedophilia. It's behaving like an infant for sexual pleasure.
Trey of Diamonds
Well-Known Member
So you admit that you are presenting an opinion based purely on your own emotional reaction to the topic rather than any scientific or educated analysis. What are you trying to debate? Do you want people to be swayed to your opinion or do you just want a soap box in order to voice your opinion in a public forum? I can tell you that if you want people to respect your opinion you must make an effort to find facts that back it up rather than simply presenting an emotional response. If all you want to do is speak your mind without actally engaging in discussion or debate, folks will get tired of listening. This is one decision that is entirely yours.
nekoboy
Teenage neko
The only point I am making is that it is a two way street. Gays don't have to make up the excuse "I was born that way" because God gave people free agency, even over their own weaknesses.
The solution to homosexuality? Anyone can change through christ, although they certainly have the choice not to. I cannot stop them.
nekoboy
Teenage neko
Since people seem to have made up their minds, I can't sway them. The only thing I can do, most of the time, is to ask people to UNDERSTAND.
There is no christian god. No magican. No savior. You are lying to yourself
Trey of Diamonds
Well-Known Member
We understand but this is a cop out. Many, many people have asked for evidence and you have not provided any. Your reasons are your own but most of us will assume you are simply too lazy to do simple research.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
I think you're misrepresenting separation of church and state issues. There is a reason the government cannot favor a particular faith, because the government is supposed to represent all citizens, who obviously consist of various faiths (and the lack thereof). It's also an issue of misappropriating tax dollars. Why should *I* be paying to promote religious beliefs that I not only disbelieve in, but strongly disagree with.
And some religions should lose their tax exempt status when they abuse it by meddling in business and politics.
Also, FOX "news" lacks credibility due to being blatantly biased, dishonest and deceitful.
nekoboy
Teenage neko
One word, Ma'am," he said, coming back from the fire; limping, because of the pain. "One word. All you've been saying is quite right, I shouldn't wonder. I'm a chap who always liked to know the worst and then put the best face I can on it. So I won't deny any of what you said. But there's one more thing to be said, even so. Suppose we have only dreamed, or made up, all those things-trees and grass and sun and moon and stars and Aslan himself. Suppose we have. Then all I can say is that, in that case, the made-up things seem a good deal more important than the real ones. Suppose this black pit of a kingdom of yours is the only world. Well, it strikes me as a pretty poor one. And that's a funny thing, when you come to think of it. We're just babies making up a game, if you're right. But four babies playing a game can make a play-world which licks your real world hollow. That's why I'm going to stand by the play world. I'm on Aslan's side even if there isn't any Aslan to lead it. I'm going to live as like a Narnian as I can even if there isn't any Narnia. So, thanking you kindly for our supper, if these two gentlemen and the young lady are ready, we're leaving your court at once and setting out in the dark to spend our lives looking for Overland. Not that our lives will be very long, I should think; but that's a small loss if the world's as dull a place as you say.
-Chronicles of Narnia, the silver chair.
I'm sorry, but most of my research is "biased", according to you.
How is that immoral? Where are the moral connotations of that if it were possible? It's like a hug from the inside, or something.
nekoboy said:
So when you say "immoral" you really just mean "doesn't fit in with my theistic beliefs," which may or may not even be rationally held in the first place...?
tumbleweed41
Resident Liberal Hippie
She can talk about her faith anytime she wants. However some feel a publicly financed government education facility is not one of them. Just as some, myself included, do not feel that religious organizations should get any special treatment when it comes to taxes.
But this has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
nekoboy
Teenage neko
Sometimes, I don't know when to throw up or get turned on.
You can do what you want. I can't stop you, but I can't support you either. I'm sorry.
nekoboy
Teenage neko
But I'm at least happy with the fact that I am doing my best. I will likely have it for the rest of my life, but I don't care.
Ok, I know what you're talking about when you mention threats to firearm ownership, but I bet you'd find I agree with you more than with anti-gun folks.
Who is threatening freedom of religion...?!
Who is threatening property rights, and how...?!
Who is threatening freedom of speech?
I haven't seen the latter three freedoms being threatened by anyone in any significant way. What are you talking about?
Agnostic75
Well-Known Member
nekoboy said:
But for homosexuals who do try reparative therapy, at least 70% fail to overcome it. Who can blame them?
nekoboy said:
A minority of homosexuals who try reparative therapy are able to become sexually attracted to women, but the best that many religiously motivated homosexuals can do is become celibate for life, and live the rest of their lives in lonely, sexual frustation.
The only evidence that you really appeal to is "the Bible says so," certainly not to any scientific evidence. Your scientific evidence is a red herring since you even oppose homosexuality among homosexuals who have excellent physical and mental health.
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Trey of Diamonds
Well-Known Member
I have said no such thing as you have offered no such research to comment on. Unless you consider your emotional reations as evidence. That would certainly be biased.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
All we ask for is objective, scientific, peer reviewed studies.
nekoboy
Teenage neko
Butthurt atheists who take "seperation of church and state" to a ridiculous extreme, by keeping anyone from expressing religious views in public, especially in public schools.
Socialism
Many examples. Fairness Doctrine, and the threats to religious freedom.
I'd rather be a paranoid frog than to be a frog that gets boiled alive.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Agnostic75
Well-Known Member
nekoboy said:
But for homosexuals who do try reparative therapy, at least 70% fail to overcome it. Who can blame them?
nekoboy said:
A minority of homosexuals who try reparative therapy are able to become sexually attracted to women, but the best that many religiously motivated homosexuals can do is become celibate for life, and live the rest of their lives in lonely, sexual frustation.
The only evidence that you really appeal to is "the Bible says so," certainly not to any scientific evidence. Your scientific evidence is a red herring since you even oppose homosexuality among homosexuals who have excellent physical and mental health.