How does homosexual activity benefit society?

[Agnostic75]

Except the fire and brimstone is not eternal.
Plan of Salvation

The question I am asking is: WHY WOULD GOD LET PEOPLE BE BORN WITH A PARAPHILIA IF THERE IS NO HOPE TO CHANGE? Why would God let anyone be born with a tendency that would cause them to hurt others if they had no way to get rid of it? I wasn't talking about homosexuality. Thank you for putting words in my mouth.

Look, we are all sinners. Everyone is worthy of damnation, except for the fact that we were given another chance. It isn't hateful to consider certain practices morally wrong, however. I have friends who are members of the LGBT community, and I don't hold their homosexuality against them, although I can't support them in their decisions.

How is any of that relevant to the topic of this thread?

 

[Father Heathen]

I don't hold their homosexuality against them, although I can't support them in their decisions.

But it isn't a decision. People don't choose what they're attracted to or aroused by. Take food or music, for example. You either like something or you don't. You can't take a food you strongly dislike, stuff it in your mouth, choose to think it tastes good, click your heels together, then magically find it to be delicious.

 

[9Westy9]

The question I am asking is: WHY WOULD GOD LET PEOPLE BE BORN WITH A PARAPHILIA IF THERE IS NO HOPE TO CHANGE? Why would God let anyone be born with a tendency that would cause them to hurt others if they had no way to get rid of it? I wasn't talking about homosexuality. Thank you for putting words in my mouth.

I'll answer for you. Because he's evil.

 

[Agnostic75]

Message to nekoboy: You have debated homosexuality in several threads, but you have not provided any solutions that generally work. Even some proponents of reparative therapy have admitted that it only works about 30% of the time, and that it works best by far for religiously motivated homosexuals. The percentage is much lower for homosexuals who are not religiously motivated.

You have said the homosexuals can overcome homosexuality through Christ. Can amputees get new arms and legs through Christ, or is God only interested in humans' spiritual needs?

Regarding homosexuals who unsuccessfully try reparative therapy, which is the majority, who can blame them for their homosexuality?

Regarding homosexuals who are not experiencing distress, why should they try reparative therapy?

What evidence do you have that homosexuality is immoral?

 

[nekoboy]

You can't take a food you strongly dislike, stuff it in your mouth, choose to think it tastes good, click your heels together, then magically find it to be delicious.

Hell, I do that all the time with food. I'm bi-capable, so I'm very capable of turning gay.

And besides. I never chose to be a vorarephile. Does that make vore morally acceptable? Nope.

What God expects us to do is to do the very best we can with our circumstances. Disability, poverty, etc. There are many of my own circumstances I never chose. And yet I got them anyway. Doesn't mean I should wallow in self pity and say "don't blame me, I was born this way".

 

[Meow Mix]

The question I am asking is: WHY WOULD GOD LET PEOPLE BE BORN WITH A PARAPHILIA IF THERE IS NO HOPE TO CHANGE? Why would God let anyone be born with a tendency that would cause them to hurt others if they had no way to get rid of it? I wasn't talking about homosexuality. Thank you for putting words in my mouth.

Look, we are all sinners. Everyone is worthy of damnation, except for the fact that we were given another chance. It isn't hateful to consider certain practices morally wrong, however. I have friends who are members of the LGBT community, and I don't hold their homosexuality against them, although I can't support them in their decisions.

There is a reason to hope to change from paraphilia like necrophilia and zoophilia because those things are morally harmful.

Homosexuality, however, doesn't have moral connotation. It's not pathological (though it is deviant; deviant doesn't equate to "bad").

What's your favorite color? Can any amount of training and hoping cause you to change that? Why should you change that?

 

[nekoboy]

There is a reason to hope to change from paraphilia like necrophilia and zoophilia because those things are morally harmful.

Homosexuality, however, doesn't have moral connotation. It's not pathological (though it is deviant; deviant doesn't equate to "bad").

What's your favorite color? Can any amount of training and hoping cause you to change that? Why should you change that?

My tastes change all the time. I choose my tastes.

My sexual preference? Vore. Doesn't mean that's morally acceptable, and I do my best to avoid vore.

So yeah, you can form a homosexual relationship all you want. Doesn't mean I will support it any more than I can support a dear friend's pornography habit. My moral connotation to homosexuality is the fact that it is a counterfeit for the family, which is instituted of God.
http://www.lds.org/family/proclamation?lang=eng

You can have your counterfeit. I won't stop you. I won't support you either. You have your free agency, but just remember that it is a two way street.

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

My tastes change all the time. I choose my tastes.

My sexual preference? Vore. Doesn't mean that's morally acceptable, and I do my best to avoid vore.

So yeah, you can form a homosexual relationship all you want. Doesn't mean I will support it any more than I can support a dear friend's pornography habit.

Once again I ask, why should anyone care what you support or don't support? You are welcome to your opinion but you present it here as a scientific fact that we should all suddenly agree to. State your opinion all you like but remember, that is all it is, your opinion. No more right or wrong than anyone elses.

 

[Meow Mix]

And besides. I never chose to be a vorarephile. Does that make vore morally acceptable? Nope.

And the question that you keep avoiding is related to this.

Why is vore morally unacceptable? If that's what I think it is (eating someone or being eaten), I imagine there's a bit of non-consent and killing/maiming involved there.

Why is homosexuality morally unacceptable?

 

[nekoboy]

And the question that you keep avoiding is related to this.

Why is vore morally unacceptable? If that's what I think it is (eating someone or being eaten), I imagine there's a bit of non-consent and killing/maiming involved there.

My case is the most harmless form of vore possible (swallowed alive and being let out later alive) It's still immoral, so I avoid it.

Why is homosexuality morally unacceptable?

Because it is a counterfeit for something instituted of God. Have your countefeit. I really can't stop you.
The Family: A Proclamation to the World

 

[Father Heathen]

Hell, I do that all the time with food. I'm bi-capable, so I'm very capable of turning gay.

I think it's far more likely that you're a bisexual/homosexual in denial, and you're struggling with it; especially conflicted because of your religion, hence all these threads condemning it.

And besides. I never chose to be a vorarephile. Does that make vore morally acceptable? Nope.

Paraphilias and fetishes are not "immoral". The only thing that's "immoral" are actions that victimize and violate the rights of innocent people.

What God expects us to do is to do the very best we can with our circumstances. Disability, poverty, etc. There are many of my own circumstances I never chose. And yet I got them anyway. Doesn't mean I should wallow in self pity and say "don't blame me, I was born this way".

But people shouldn't pity themselves. Instead, they should replace that pity with pride. And when it comes to "god", why should we trust ancient, primitive savages to be reliable middlemen? Does it really make sense to get your model of morality from a people who sold their own children into sexual slavery? Think about it.

 

[nekoboy]

Paraphilias and fetishes are not "immoral". The only thing that's "immoral" are actions that victimize and violate the rights of innocent people.

Funny how the only "rights" respected these days relate to sex and entitlements. No more guns, freedom of religion, property, speech....

And just so you know, I follow the New Testament when it comes to laws. I don't follow the law of moses.

 

[Father Heathen]

Why is vore morally unacceptable? If that's what I think it is (eating someone or being eaten), I imagine there's a bit of non-consent and killing/maiming involved there.

But as pure fantasy there's nothing "immoral" about it.

 

[nekoboy]

But as pure fantasy there's nothing "immoral" about it.

I guess as pure fantasy, there's nothing wrong with zoophilia or regression.

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

I guess as pure fantasy, there's nothing wrong with zoophilia or regression.

What is regression?

 

[Father Heathen]

Funny how the only "rights" respected these days relate to sex and entitlements. No more guns, freedom of religion, property, speech....

What on earth are you babbling about? Personally, I'm pro gun rights, pro freedom of speech and pro freedom of religion. And I've never heard of anyone who was for sexual freedoms but not for freedom of religion or freedom speech. Tell me, who do you think is trying to take away our freedom of speech and religion?

 

[nekoboy]

Once again I ask, why should anyone care what you support or don't support? You are welcome to your opinion but you present it here as a scientific fact that we should all suddenly agree to. State your opinion all you like but remember, that is all it is, your opinion. No more right or wrong than anyone elses.

It isn't "scientific", so you don't have to agree to it.

 

[Agnostic75]

Message to nekoboy: You have debated homosexuality in several threads, but you have not provided any solutions that generally work. Even some proponents of reparative therapy have admitted that it only works about 30% of the time, and that it works best by far for religiously motivated homosexuals. The percentage is much lower for homosexuals who are not religiously motivated.

You have said the homosexuals can overcome homosexuality through Christ. Can amputees get new arms and legs through Christ, or is God only interested in humans' spiritual needs?

Regarding homosexuals who unsuccessfully try reparative therapy, which is the majority, who can blame them for their homosexuality?

Regarding homosexuals who are not experiencing distress, why should they try reparative therapy?

 

[nekoboy]

What on earth are you babbling about? Personally, I'm pro gun rights, pro freedom of speech and pro freedom of religion. And I've never heard of anyone who was for sexual freedoms but not for freedom of religion or freedom speech. Tell me, who do you think is trying to take away our freedom of speech and religion?

Butthurt atheists who are offended when a Graduate talks about her faith in God, those who want to remove tax exempt statuses from various religions...
Religious Words Censored in Graduation Speech « FOX News Radio

 

[nekoboy]

Regarding homosexuals who unsuccessfully try reparative therapy, which is the majority, who can blame them for their homosexuality?

Regarding homosexuals who are not experiencing distress, why should they try reparative therapy?

They have a choice to refuse reparative therapy. The only point I am making is that it is a two way street. Those who sincerely believe that they need to change will likely be able to develop proper relationships with the opposite sex, and yet still retain their old tendencies. Tendencies are not sins, actions are.