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How does the story of Adam and Eve compatible with science?

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
No you didn’t say that

I did. If you would read with a bit of attention, you'ld know.
Here is the actual quote, word for word, from my post (#1134) in question:

Genetics provides the exact stuff Darwin predicted: a mechanism that introduces change + a method of inheriting those changes.

So we can add this to the already ginormous pile of evidence that you either don't read the posts you respond to, or you have the attention span of a mosquito.

but it’s still fabricated nonsense.

Nope. Genetics factually provides a method of introducing changes to the genome (mutation) and it factually provides a mechanism to pass on those changes to offspring (inheritance of modified genes through reproduction)

Genetics, with regard to ToE is an example of back fitting, making things fit.

If that is what you wish to call the perfect matching of the predicted and required mechanisms for the process to work.................


It cannot predict any species to species evolution in the future

Off course not. Anyone who understands evolution would also know why.
Also, scientific prediction isn't fortune telling. It's not about predicting the future. It's about predicting data.

because that doesn’t happen, it’s probably why they gave their algorithm to Boeing.
Indeed. If they could predict the future, they wouldn't need the algorithm. Then the human engineer could just predict the result and optimize the system himself.
But off course, it doesn't work that way.

If you would spend some time reading up, you'ld know.
 

Apostle John

“Go ahead, look up Revelation 6”
And you could try reading it and following the references. For example:

Several of the isotope systems involved in radiometric dating depend on IRMS using thermal ionization of a solid sample loaded into the source of the mass spectrometer (hence thermal ionization mass spectrometry, TIMS).

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One application of thermal ionization is thermal ionization mass spectrometry (TIMS). In thermal ionization mass spectrometry, a chemically purified material is placed onto a filament which is then heated to high temperatures to cause some of the material to be ionized as it is thermally desorbed (boiled off) the hot filament. Filaments are generally flat pieces of metal around 1-2mm wide, 0.1mm thick, bent into an upside-down U shape and attached to two contacts that supply a current.
This method is widely used in radiometric dating, where the sample is ionized under vacuum. The ions being produced at the filament are focused into an ion beam and then passed through a magnetic field to separate them by mass. The relative abundances of different isotopes can then be measured, yielding isotope ratios.

Of course, I don't believe for a second you're really at all interested. If you were you wouldn't be so lazy. It's anything, any distraction you can think of to avoid facing the truth, with you.
Sounds very prone to error, lacks detail about how they obtain the sample and the chemical purification process.
 

Apostle John

“Go ahead, look up Revelation 6”
I did. If you would read with a bit of attention, you'ld know.
Here is the actual quote, word for word, from my post (#1134) in question:
Genetics provides the exact stuff Darwin predicted: a mechanism that introduces change + a method of inheriting those changes.
All genetic studies of the species show is mutations and assumes a mechanism. It is back fitting.
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
Sounds very prone to error, lacks detail about how they obtain the sample and the chemical purification process.

Let me try with a very simple example of regularity that is bio-chemical and applies to all humans objectively. Stop drinking any fluids and report back to us in a week.
That is an objective regularity of the world and doesn't depend on how you think.
The same is the case of other cases of the physical and chemical. Indeed that is how instruments work. They are objectively calibratable, because the process of calibration is the same for all humans if they follow the same steps to do it.
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
All genetic studies of the species show is mutations and assumes a mechanism. It is back fitting.

Yes and then that is found by doing the objective testing that confirms the assumption.
You have an assumption and then you test it against the objective. That is natural science.
 

Apostle John

“Go ahead, look up Revelation 6”
Yes and then that is found by doing the objective testing that confirms the assumption.
You have an assumption and then you test it against the objective. That is natural science.
…unfortunately it hasn’t filled in the assumption with facts. The DNA difference between apes and humans is 83% for example with no organism in between to test genetic changes if that were true in the first place.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Tokens? You clearly cannot be debated appearing to be using delusional terminology.

You and no one else has seen DNA being made from scratch, it can never happen on its own if you know anything about chemistry, you are clearly delusional about that.
The evasion by those who believe in the absolute process of evolution is remarkable in the sad sense. But from my perusal here, that's what happens. No amount of theory or rhetoric can show how DNA and RNA developed or first started.
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
Well, I really don't care. There are no special unique humans and what you pointed out is not unique to religious believers. Nor is it uniform as such. The same for non-believers. That is all, it is called psychology and can be observed for all groups of humans. Even you and I.
You are contradicting a series of assertions I was not making.
 

ratiocinator

Lightly seared on the reality grill.
The fact is that there is a genetic difference between gorillas and humans.
Which is exactly what we'd expect. Now, if we look at the differences and similarities in detail, that tells a story.

Genesis and the Genome (pdf)

One protein used as a yolk component in egg-laying vertebrates is the product of the vitellogenin gene. (18) Since placental mammals are proposed to be descended from egg-laying ancestors, researchers recently investigated whether humans retained the remnants of the vitellogenin gene sequence in pseudo-gene form. To assist in their search, this group determined the location of the functional vitellogenin gene in the chicken genome, noted the identity of the genes flanking the vitellogenin sequence, and located these genes in the human genome. They found that these genes were present side-by-side and functional in the human genome; then they performed an examination of human sequence between them. As expected, the heavily mutated, pseudogenized sequence of the vitellogenin gene was present in the human genome at this precise location. (19) The human genome thus contains the mutated remains of a gene devoted to egg yolk formation in egg-laying vertebrates at the precise location predicted by shared synteny derived from common ancestry.
While the vitellogenin pseudogene is compelling, it is but one example of thousands that could be given. (20) For example, there are hundreds of genes used for the sense of smell (olfactory receptor genes) in the human genome that have become pseudogenes. (21) Moreover, many of these pseudogenes have identical inactivating mutations shared among humans, chimpanzees, and gorillas. (22) Furthermore, determining degrees of relatedness solely based on genomes that share identical inactivating mutations in olfactory receptor pseudogenes, independently arranges humans as most closely related to chimpanzees (most errors in common), and less so with gorillas (fewer errors in common), and even less with orangutans (fewer still errors in common). (23) Additionally, no "out of place" pseudogenes were found in this study: pseudogenes with identical inactivating mutations common to humans and gorillas were also present with the identical mutation in chimpanzees; mutations common to humans and orangutans were present in chimpanzees and gorillas.
This pattern is precisely what common ancestry predicts for these species, since an identical mutation present in two species is most readily explained by its presence in the common ancestor of both species. The common ancestor of humans and gorillas is also the common ancestor of chimpanzees, hence inactivating mutations present in humans and gorillas are also predicted to be present in chimpanzees. In short, the existence of shared pseudogenes between primate genomes, their syntenic locations, and their patterns of inactivation and distribution all coherently support the same model of common ancestry based on comparative sequence homology criteria alone.
 

Apostle John

“Go ahead, look up Revelation 6”
Which is exactly what we'd expect. Now, if we look at the differences and similarities in detail, that tells a story.

Genesis and the Genome (pdf)

One protein used as a yolk component in egg-laying vertebrates is the product of the vitellogenin gene. (18) Since placental mammals are proposed to be descended from egg-laying ancestors, researchers recently investigated whether humans retained the remnants of the vitellogenin gene sequence in pseudo-gene form. To assist in their search, this group determined the location of the functional vitellogenin gene in the chicken genome, noted the identity of the genes flanking the vitellogenin sequence, and located these genes in the human genome. They found that these genes were present side-by-side and functional in the human genome; then they performed an examination of human sequence between them. As expected, the heavily mutated, pseudogenized sequence of the vitellogenin gene was present in the human genome at this precise location. (19) The human genome thus contains the mutated remains of a gene devoted to egg yolk formation in egg-laying vertebrates at the precise location predicted by shared synteny derived from common ancestry.
While the vitellogenin pseudogene is compelling, it is but one example of thousands that could be given. (20) For example, there are hundreds of genes used for the sense of smell (olfactory receptor genes) in the human genome that have become pseudogenes. (21) Moreover, many of these pseudogenes have identical inactivating mutations shared among humans, chimpanzees, and gorillas. (22) Furthermore, determining degrees of relatedness solely based on genomes that share identical inactivating mutations in olfactory receptor pseudogenes, independently arranges humans as most closely related to chimpanzees (most errors in common), and less so with gorillas (fewer errors in common), and even less with orangutans (fewer still errors in common). (23) Additionally, no "out of place" pseudogenes were found in this study: pseudogenes with identical inactivating mutations common to humans and gorillas were also present with the identical mutation in chimpanzees; mutations common to humans and orangutans were present in chimpanzees and gorillas.
This pattern is precisely what common ancestry predicts for these species, since an identical mutation present in two species is most readily explained by its presence in the common ancestor of both species. The common ancestor of humans and gorillas is also the common ancestor of chimpanzees, hence inactivating mutations present in humans and gorillas are also predicted to be present in chimpanzees. In short, the existence of shared pseudogenes between primate genomes, their syntenic locations, and their patterns of inactivation and distribution all coherently support the same model of common ancestry based on comparative sequence homology criteria alone.

The differences and similarities? According to the Nature article there is a difference of 83% in respective DNA and apes only produce 29% of the same proteins that humans do.
 
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