How does your faith rationalize god allowing the existence of evil, death, and suffering?

[Jabar]

You cant just say that the bible is corrupted bro. You know why? The bible could be as it is. The bible is a collection of books. Those books individually may have been corrupted. Do you understand what I say?

Even the Baghvath Geetha may have been Gods inspiration infected. We dont know how far and wide we will find Gods word.

Brother, it is corrupted, i do not mean the portion of the Bible in agreement of Qur'an but the one made or altered by historians and such.

 

[Jabar]

Llool. Mate. I am not gonna take part in your childish tit for tat prior to you answering my questions first because you claimed the bible to be reliable and I asked some questions. I never thought since you called others young and asked how old I was that youre such an immature person.

You know that all of this completions and dates can be found on the internet? Are you seriously asking this question? While you pretend that you study papyrus, no wait you just said that to scare the Muslims off because they apparently dont have a clue. But when asked you respond by saying you use two papyrus's, p52 and 66. Loool. I cant believe you actually said that. P52 is no bigger than a business card. You look at it for information? And even in that tyny speck there are textual variants.

May I say something about the variant question on the Quran manuscripts you spoke of? None. And if you compare bible manuscripts to the Quranic manuscripts Paul there is no chance of survival.

Paul. Lets not play this gutter game mate.

His views are very contradictory.

He uses verses that are open to wrong interpretation which could lead to association of God and Jesus.

 

[anonymous9887]

Yes, but Adam is the only one who was created without any male or female.

He is a Son like us all, but he is a unique and Prophet of Allah.

Adam was made from dust, Jesus was born of a virgin still different.

Now please answer the question to your manuscripts.

 

[anonymous9887]

Llool. Mate. I am not gonna take part in your childish tit for tat prior to you answering my questions first because you claimed the bible to be reliable and I asked some questions. I never thought since you called others young and asked how old I was that youre such an immature person.

You know that all of this completions and dates can be found on the internet? Are you seriously asking this question? While you pretend that you study papyrus, no wait you just said that to scare the Muslims off because they apparently dont have a clue. But when asked you respond by saying you use two papyrus's, p52 and 66. Loool. I cant believe you actually said that. P52 is no bigger than a business card. You look at it for information? And even in that tyny speck there are textual variants.

May I say something about the variant question on the Quran manuscripts you spoke of? None. And if you compare bible manuscripts to the Quranic manuscripts Paul there is no chance of survival.

Paul. Lets not play this gutter game mate.

No problem.
Can you name your manuscripts without looking online or do you need a chance to remove the rafter from your own eye.

 

[anonymous9887]

Llool. Mate. I am not gonna take part in your childish tit for tat prior to you answering my questions first because you claimed the bible to be reliable and I asked some questions. I never thought since you called others young and asked how old I was that youre such an immature person.

You know that all of this completions and dates can be found on the internet? Are you seriously asking this question? While you pretend that you study papyrus, no wait you just said that to scare the Muslims off because they apparently dont have a clue. But when asked you respond by saying you use two papyrus's, p52 and 66. Loool. I cant believe you actually said that. P52 is no bigger than a business card. You look at it for information? And even in that tyny speck there are textual variants.

May I say something about the variant question on the Quran manuscripts you spoke of? None. And if you compare bible manuscripts to the Quranic manuscripts Paul there is no chance of survival.

Paul. Lets not play this gutter game mate.

Are you sure there are no variants or are you putting faith in something before researching?

 

[anonymous9887]

The one that matches the Qur'an but the Bible is corrupted.

It is complete book that is superior to Bible. Bible was for particular group of people and time period.

Which is why Qur'an is pure.

If the Qur'an is truly pure answer my questions on the manuscripts please.

 

[Jabar]

Adam was made from dust, Jesus was born of a virgin still different.

Now please answer the question to your manuscripts.

Brother, but he was made without a virgin, that would make him a greater Son Of God in your perspective.

What about Manuscripts?

 

[anonymous9887]

John 3:13:

Everyone came from Heaven. It is saying everyone has come with the Word Of God who is in heaven, the commandments. Which is why Nicodemus is asking, and Jesus says how do you not know this. They were from Heaven, like SYMBOLICALLY how God is in Heaven, we were sent from God to spread the commandments. Jesus himself told him how you do not know this, meaning he also was from Heaven. Now if you wanna put it into that interpretation, then that means Nicodemus was also in Heaven with Jesus, so look at it, and you will see that he is not LITERALLY from Heaven.

John 8:58:

I AM, does not mean he was born before Abraham. Once again, it means that before Abraham was even created. His Word, which is Word Of God was there. God was there before Abraham, he never says that he was there before Abraham chronilogically but that God, the Word was. Which he was spreading. I AM is used as an identification of what he was, a prophet sent as we can see in Exodus 3:14 It is God essentially.

John 1:1:

Same thing. Word is God. The Word was with God, whom Jesus was sent to spread the Word. For certain the Word is God, not Jesus.

John 17:5:

He never said he was there before World was there. The Glory was there before it began meaning God once again.

The verses before say whom God has sent. So, another thing is he never claimed divinity, just saying.

John 6:62:

Same, thing. He was with God, the commandment, as God prescribed.

John 6:38:

Same thing.

Really
Read
John 1:1 and 1:14

 

[Jabar]

Really
Read
John 1:1 and 1:14

This is also SYMBOLIC.

It is not saying God literally became Jesus.

If you read it all, it says he came from the father. Full of grace and truth. He never was God.

He was a Son as said, just like we are. He was sent by God as a Prophet.

 

[firedragon]

No problem.
Can you name your manuscripts without looking online or do you need a chance to remove the rafter from your own eye.

Name my manuscripts? Can you rephrase that question please? And let me see about eyes when you respond to questions posed rather than sidestepping. Amazing.

 

[firedragon]

Are you sure there are no variants or are you putting faith in something before researching?

No variations mate.

Your question shows the lack of knowledge and most importantly your arrogance.

There are variants found, but not between manuscripts. do your own research to findout. This is the Quran, not the bible. Biblical textual criticism is poles apart from the Quran.

Alright, please tell me how many NT manuscripts are found and how many variations are there.

 

[anonymous9887]

This is also SYMBOLIC.

It is not saying God literally became Jesus.

If you read it all, it says he came from the father. Full of grace and truth. He never was God.

He was a Son as said, just like we are. He was sent by God as a Prophet.

The greek words used are
En arche en "Ho logos kai Ho logos en pros "ton theon kai theos en Ho logos

Proper word for word translation
In beginning was "the word" and "the word" was toward "the god" and "the word" was god (or "a god" because of the lack of definite article ton, Ho)

 

[anonymous9887]

No variations mate.

Your question shows the lack of knowledge and most importantly your arrogance.

There are variants found, but not between manuscripts. do your own research to findout. This is the Quran, not the bible. Biblical textual criticism is poles apart from the Quran.

Alright, please tell me how many NT manuscripts are found and how many variations are there.

Ok let me ask you another question.

Is there any one manuscript that is entirely complete?

 

[anonymous9887]

No variations mate.

Your question shows the lack of knowledge and most importantly your arrogance.

There are variants found, but not between manuscripts. do your own research to findout. This is the Quran, not the bible. Biblical textual criticism is poles apart from the Quran.

Alright, please tell me how many NT manuscripts are found and how many variations are there.

Why couldn't you name them or date them?

 

[firedragon]

The greek words used are
En arche en "Ho logos kai Ho logos en pros "ton theon kai theos en Ho logos

Proper word for word translation
In beginning was "the word" and "the word" was toward "the god" and "the word" was god (or "a god" because of the lack of definite article ton, Ho)

This is not totally correct.
When the article is missing, its an attribute. In fact, Kai theos en ho logos will mean And divine was the word, or Godly.

Also, pros does not have to be literally translated to toward, it can be with as well.

 

[Jabar]

This is not totally correct.
When the article is missing, its an attribute. In fact, Kai theos en ho logos will mean And divine was the word, or Godly.

Also, pros does not have to be literally translated to toward, it can be with as well.

He really is trying to twist it so it fits his belief.

Today is Sha'ban month am i correct? Or something like that?

 

[firedragon]

Ok let me ask you another question.

Is there any one manuscript that is entirely complete?

Nice copout my friend. I really respect your ability to do that.

And of course not. Nevertheless, you quoted a manuscript that is 99% complete.

Paul, you told me you look at papyrus, you quoted p52, the oldest NT manuscript. Its not even a page, its as small as a business card. With what audacity are you asking me about complete Quran manuscripts?

And the Quranic culture is to memorise it. Millions memorise it. Its so easy to reconcile if you have 1000 people who have memorised it. Even if you have two people.

Now tell me. How about prodding further with my questions? NOpe, you cant answer.

Now to cop out, ask me another question my friend. Go ahead.

 

[firedragon]

He really is trying to twist it so it fits his belief.

Today is Sha'ban month am i correct? Or something like that?

Thats according to the Islamic calendar. I dont follow the lunar calendar anymore my brother.

 

[firedragon]

Why couldn't you name them or date them?

Name them? What do you mean? They are already named by someone. And they have been dated already?

What are you asking about?

 

[Jabar]

Thats according to the Islamic calendar. I dont follow the lunar calendar anymore my brother.

Why?