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How Enlighten Was Buddha

idav

idav

Being
Premium Member
CynthiaCypher said:
Except for people don't seem to want to be aware of that, they kind of don't like to realize that. They want be something else, they want be somewhere else. People want security, heaven, enlightenment. They want perfection and self-realization. They want suffering and death to go away.
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The point is to see passed the illusion of suffering.
 
idav

idav

Being
Premium Member
CynthiaCypher said:
The illusion is trying to escape suffering.
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Funny. Mental and physical suffering are different things. Still some try and do away with even physical pain which sounds pretty hard. It is granted that we are bound to a great degree while alive.
 
George-ananda

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
CynthiaCypher said:
Should oxygen or gravity matter to these organisms? All organisms should and do live fully within the context of their environment whether they are aware of that or not.
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I don't quite get your analogy. I can understand how oxygen and gravity effect these organisms. But I can't understand how your concept of god would effect them.


CynthiaCypher said:
Except for people don't seem to want to be aware of that, they kind of don't like to realize that. They want be something else, they want be somewhere else. People want security, heaven, enlightenment. They want perfection and self-realization. They want suffering and death to go away.
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Because people 'want' these things does not mean they can't also be real.

I have studied the paranormal extensively and am quite certain that human conciousness cannot be fully understood with materialistic science alone. I believe the evidence for continuation of conciousness at death is very strong. In fact the physical does not create conciousness, conciousness incarnates in the physical.

My point is that there is strong objective evidence also for what you might call 'fantasy' beliefs.
 
George-ananda

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
CynthiaCypher said:
Absolutely not.
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'absolutely not' was your response to belief in Christ's miracles.

I am not a Christian but no one can say absolutely 'yes' or 'no'.

There are many miracle stories even in modern times that are not that different from Christ's miracles. And don't forget how the eyewitnesses (the apostles) refused to recant their faith even when it meant their execution. That's strong evidence.
 
CynthiaCypher

CynthiaCypher

Well-Known Member
idav said:
Funny. Mental and physical suffering are different things. Still some try and do away with even physical pain which sounds pretty hard. It is granted that we are bound to a great degree while alive.
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It's merely denial. You deny the presence of suffering by deluding yourself. it's a form of self-hypnosis. Just about all religions stem from the fear of death and suffering instead of accepting that suffering and death are intrinsic parts of the universe.
 
idav

idav

Being
Premium Member
CynthiaCypher said:
It's merely denial. You deny the presence of suffering by deluding yourself. it's a form of self-hypnosis. Just about all religions stem from the fear of death and suffering instead of accepting that suffering and death are intrinsic parts of the universe.
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Our emotions are self hypnosis. Why would we love or hate anyone or care or not care if they died? Which would be the delusion loving someone or hating them? Love and hate are obsessions and products of the mind and reality that we create for ourself. Taking a step back away looking at an overall perspective allows us to detach and get rid of some of our personal bias.
 
Chisti

Chisti

Active Member
CynthiaCypher said:
It's merely denial. You deny the presence of suffering by deluding yourself. it's a form of self-hypnosis. Just about all religions stem from the fear of death and suffering instead of accepting that suffering and death are intrinsic parts of the universe.
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You doubt all this, but not your hallucination. Interesting contradiction you got there.
 
Riverwolf

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
CynthiaCypher said:
It's merely denial. You deny the presence of suffering by deluding yourself. it's a form of self-hypnosis. Just about all religions stem from the fear of death and suffering instead of accepting that suffering and death are intrinsic parts of the universe.
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Suffering and death don't necessarily go together.

But if you can self-hypnotize yourself into believing that you aren't suffering anymore (BTW, suffering and pain are two different things in this case), isn't that kind of equivalent to elimination of suffering?
 
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