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How Great is the Darkness?

mickiel

Well-Known Member
Message to mikiel: Do you believe that Jesus physically rose from the dead, and was seen by hundreds of people after he rose from the dead?

Do you believe that a global flood occured, and that the earth is young?


I grow tired of your questions, ask somebodyelse.

I will answer these last ones. Yes, I believe Jesus rose from the dead and was seen by people, I don't know how many. I believe a flood occured, and I believe the earth is old, not young, perhaps millions of years old.

Listen, I have had my fill of you this night, your tiresome to me.

Peace.
 

Agnostic75

Well-Known Member
mickiel said:
Listen, I have had my fill of you this night, you are tiresome to me.
Peace.

And peace to you too. I love you in spite of how you may feel about me, and I know that you are only doing what you believe is right. I believe that you are honestly searching for the truth, and you ought to believe the same about me.

If a loving God exists, that would be wonderful. Why would anyone reject a loving God?
 

Walkntune

Well-Known Member
I am destined to live in the Darkness, until God releases me. I am destined to fly, even though now I can hardly jump. I am destined to lust, until God cleasens my mind and heart. I am destined to fall, but also destined to get back up each time. I am destined to see through people, as their thoughts become transparent to me.

I am destined to live without God, until my change come.

Right now you are only destined by your beliefs! You are in darkness because you hold on to such beliefs.
God is not going to do anything to change your destiny. He has already done it on the cross and it is finished.
Only by changing your belief will you change your destiny now.God is not holding you in darkness period.That's an insult to him and the sacrifice on the cross.
You are free now if you so choose to believe you are no matter how you feel. Don't let how you feel dictate what you believe but choose what you will believe and watch overtime as it will change how you feel.


 

.lava

Veteran Member
Oh yes, defintely. So many times killers and maniacs have been interviewed and they spoke about things getting into their heads and influcing them to do these horrible things they did. But thats grad scale example, just dare to use yourself as an example. On a much smaller scale, like lying. When we lie, we are purposely looking to deceive someone or some situation. Instead of telling the truth, we are tempted to deceive, and passify ourselves in the deception, often telling ourselves its no harm done, its the right thing to do for yourself or someonelse.

At those moments, Evil has gotten into your Consciousness, and has deceived you, now it leads you to further deceive others. Thats what evil does, it breeds itself.

Peace.

tempting, inviting..etc yes, i agree. but i think last desicion is always made by person himself. i was trying to udnerstand if you hold evil spirits responsible of sins of men or not. i am still not sure :)

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Trauma Man

New Member
Here are some facts about Darkness from one of my blogs:

Most scientists agree that the vast majority of the universe is made up of Dark Energy and Dark Matter (although I am beginning to lean towards a more electric or plasma cosmology). At our basic level, we are 99.9% empty space -void. Between the stars and planets, there is darkness. Below the surface of the earth, and in the ocean depths, there is darkness. Below the surface of our skin, darkness. You are born into darkness in your mother’s womb, and you are buried in the darkness of the earth.

Everything manifested around us is built on a foundation of chaotic potential. That which is unseen and hidden in darkness is brought forth into a specific order. Darkness is the consistent and underlying natural state of all things.

Light is temporary. Darkness is eternal. Stars burn out, and fade into darkness. Light is birthed from darkness. It overcomes the darkness only temporarily.

Taoists, Buddhists, and Hindus of certain sects often retreat into dark caves to sit in solitude in the dark. In this setting, the mind returns to its natural state of peace, happiness, and wisdom. They have visions and receive insight, as they become one with the darkness.

The fear of darkness is the fear of the unknown, and the fear of death. By accepting and embracing darkness as the natural foundation of all things, one becomes fearless. One becomes deathless."


The point is that there is nothing wrong with Darkness. You are equating "sin" with Darkness. This is a very Western comparison. You mentioned this Darkness in you as being a Force. I couldn't agree more.


However this Force in you is the Force of Nature that gives birth to life. Lust is a sex drive that causes us to reproduce. Greed is a motivational factor that causes you to obtain more lest you fall into atrophy. As far as violence goes, nature is extremely violent. It's unpleasant but necessary for the survival of creation as a whole.



Since you believe in God, doesn't the Bible say that God created both light and darkness? And if God did not put this "dark force" in you, then how did it get there? Did "Satan" put it there? Who created Satan?



I think you should embrace who you are and champion your dark nature. There is nothing wrong with you. You are precisely who nature or "God" intended you to be =)
 

fatima_bintu_islam

Active Member
I am more than happy to share my destiny, it is the same destiny for all of humanity. So it is not a selfish destiny.

I am destined to be like God, its what " Mickiel" means, or Michael, one who is like God. I am destined to one day have Gods Holy Spirit, and oh how I long for that day. I am destined to leave this world behind, and to one day know my creator personally. I am destined to one day be strong, and no longer be a slave to sin.

I am destined to be a " Conduit" in this world, a medium for change. I am destined to suffer, then be strengthen and then be settled. I am destined to shed this flesh, and put on Spirit, although that frigthens me at times. I am destined to grow in the knowledge of God, and each passing year, even now, this is already occuring, I understand more as time goes on.

I am destined to live in the Darkness, until God releases me. I am destined to fly, even though now I can hardly jump. I am destined to lust, until God cleasens my mind and heart. I am destined to fall, but also destined to get back up each time. I am destined to see through people, as their thoughts become transparent to me.

I am destined to live without God, until my change come.

Peace.

You know mickiel, you are the most sincere person I have ever met :)
The only thing that IMO you're missing, is that God created us with this nature of sinning, you may ask why? Well, the reason is simple, He loves when we repent .

You know there's this hadeeth which states ( meaning) that ALlah is more happy with the repentance of his slave, than a bedouin who lost his camel in the desert whith all his provisions, and he was so closeto death, and when he found he said out of hapiness:"Oh Allah you are my slave and I am your God " (i.e he was confused because he was so much happy)

I hope you can understand or try to understand this part of the human nature and life, that God created in us. You cannot imagine the beauty and happiness that occurs to the heart, when the slave admit his sins and cries until he cannot breath because of his weakness, seeking pardon of His merciful Lord. This is the most humble and beauty aspect of repentance that fills the heart with joy, and you can feel your heart so light and happy when you do that .

Dont think that Im preaching you orsomething, its just that its very painful to me to see you in this situation while there's an all merciful God who is only waiting for you to repent :( , Im really sincere in what I say.

Best regards my friend :eek:
 

mickiel

Well-Known Member
You know mickiel, you are the most sincere person I have ever met :)
The only thing that IMO you're missing, is that God created us with this nature of sinning, you may ask why? Well, the reason is simple, He loves when we repent .

You know there's this hadeeth which states ( meaning) that ALlah is more happy with the repentance of his slave, than a bedouin who lost his camel in the desert whith all his provisions, and he was so closeto death, and when he found he said out of hapiness:"Oh Allah you are my slave and I am your God " (i.e he was confused because he was so much happy)

I hope you can understand or try to understand this part of the human nature and life, that God created in us. You cannot imagine the beauty and happiness that occurs to the heart, when the slave admit his sins and cries until he cannot breath because of his weakness, seeking pardon of His merciful Lord. This is the most humble and beauty aspect of repentance that fills the heart with joy, and you can feel your heart so light and happy when you do that .

Dont think that Im preaching you orsomething, its just that its very painful to me to see you in this situation while there's an all merciful God who is only waiting for you to repent :( , Im really sincere in what I say.

Best regards my friend :eek:


Well thank you, I am sincere about my beliefs, and my true situation. God has not granted me repentance, he wants me as I am for now, living in this darkness. My view of God is differing, in that I don't believe in this " Come to Jesus anytime you are ready to repent." I believe that God grants repentance, draws the individual to him, and gives them the ability to change. I do not believe that real change, can be self employed and be true. As if we work repentance up within ourselves. Self made repentance is not for me, my troubles are stronger than I. I need a God to bring me out of this Darkness, I cannot do it alone. I have tried that far too many times, and failed.

So for " Me", the repentance and change must come from outside of myself, I just don't have it. I have passion and pain, and a growing understanding, for now, Gods grace must be sufficent for me. And I am growing in that grace and Knowledge, while I am yet in this Darkness.

And I need that Grace, its all I have. God has to just continue giving me his Grace, his unmerited pardon from my steady sins.

Peace.
 

mickiel

Well-Known Member
tempting, inviting..etc yes, i agree. but i think last desicion is always made by person himself. i was trying to udnerstand if you hold evil spirits responsible of sins of men or not. i am still not sure :)

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Yes I do hold Evil responsible for the sins of men, and I think God does to. God is not holding humanitys sins against them, goodness, if he did that, were all doomed!

Peace.
 

fatima_bintu_islam

Active Member
Of course repentance cannot come from yourself alone, I 100 % agree with you on it , thats why we have prayer "Oh God, please get me out of my darkness" :) and Im sure your prayer will be answered as you are very sincere in your request.
 

mickiel

Well-Known Member
Right now you are only destined by your beliefs! You are in darkness because you hold on to such beliefs.
God is not going to do anything to change your destiny. He has already done it on the cross and it is finished.
Only by changing your belief will you change your destiny now.God is not holding you in darkness period.That's an insult to him and the sacrifice on the cross.
You are free now if you so choose to believe you are no matter how you feel. Don't let how you feel dictate what you believe but choose what you will believe and watch overtime as it will change how you feel.




No, I am not free from sin, though I wish I was, and religious viewpoints cannot free me. Only he who has imprisioned me can do that. My power of choice is not great enough to usurp Gods will for me as of now. I know other believers like to think their choice has that power, but not me. I know my place.

Listen, everyone is not now called by God, I am one of those not called. And I hold no problem realizing that.

Peace.
 

mickiel

Well-Known Member
Of course repentance cannot come from yourself alone, I 100 % agree with you on it , thats why we have prayer "Oh God, please get me out of my darkness" :) and Im sure your prayer will be answered as you are very sincere in your request.


Well no human can answer my prayer, and I believe that one day God will release me, just not today. Realizing just where you are with God, is a most valuable reality. Far too many have seduced themselves into being called by God, when really they are not. They are " Kings before their time", pacifying themselves with the seduiction of the anxcious mind.

Peace.
 

stiletto

Naughty But Nice
One persons darkness is another person light. I myself am a bit of a night owl and prefer "darkness".
 

.lava

Veteran Member
No, I am not free from sin, though I wish I was, and religious viewpoints cannot free me. Only he who has imprisioned me can do that. My power of choice is not great enough to usurp Gods will for me as of now. I know other believers like to think their choice has that power, but not me. I know my place.

Listen, everyone is not now called by God, I am one of those not called. And I hold no problem realizing that.

Peace.

that's probably true for everyone. noone can be cleaned from all sins completely without help of God. i think all we need to do is to make a request to God and ask for it. if that's what we really want, we are given free wills to make that request. as Joseph SAW says;

12:53 I do not exculpate myself. Lo! the (human) soul enjoineth unto evil, save that whereon my Lord hath mercy. Lo! my Lord is Forgiving, Merciful.
OR
12:53 "Nor do I absolve my own self (of blame): the (human) soul is certainly prone to evil, unless my Lord do bestow His Mercy: but surely my Lord is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful."

sorry, on-line translations are a little poor :)

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mickiel

Well-Known Member
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I really wish it was just that simple, to just " Ask God." I believe God answers Prayer, I just as strongly believe that he does not, thats his call, his decision, his right to answer how and when. I have asked thousands of times for his Spirit, for him to come into my life complettely, each time the answer has been no. This tells me that the calling of God, does not come from prayer, many just think it does.

God enters a human when he is good and ready, and I don't see anything a human can do to manipulate him. Some of us think that we can be " So Good", that we leave God no choice but to annoint us. I am not deceived by that self illusion.

But I want to go into the handicap that self assurance has caused in many, and literally crippled them for life, trapped within their own " Spiritual self delusion."

Peace.

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.lava

Veteran Member
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I really wish it was just that simple, to just " Ask God." I believe God answers Prayer, I just as strongly believe that he does not, thats his call, his decision, his right to answer how and when. I have asked thousands of times for his Spirit, for him to come into my life complettely, each time the answer has been no. This tells me that the calling of God, does not come from prayer, many just think it does.

God enters a human when he is good and ready, and I don't see anything a human can do to manipulate him. Some of us think that we can be " So Good", that we leave God no choice but to annoint us. I am not deceived by that self illusion.

But I want to go into the handicap that self assurance has caused in many, and literally crippled them for life, trapped within their own " Spiritual self delusion."

Peace.

IMO love for God keeps people blind to this world. wanting God is the request i am talking about. asking with words, no, not with words

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mickiel

Well-Known Member
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God enters a human when he is good and ready, and I don't see anything a human can do to manipulate him. Some of us think that we can be " So Good", that we leave God no choice but to annoint us. I am not deceived by that self illusion.

But I want to go into the handicap that self assurance has caused in many, and literally crippled them for life, trapped within their own " Spiritual self delusion."

Peace.
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Eventually God will personally contact each and every human, I just don't see him doing that as of yet, or yet starting a true church. Which leaves the incredible advent of so many now claiming that God is actively dealing with them. An incredible amount of believers, self delused and self motivated to claim that God has given them his Spirit! Trapped into their own spiritual self delusion.

One of the most simple things a human can do, is to convince themselves of anything. And religion holds an incredible amount of these people. They claim God talks to them, when he does not. They claim God called them to teach and preach, when he has not. And they are self convinced of these things. Then the world turns around and looks to these people for spiritual guidance, and that is the formula for the great suscess that the Darkness enjoys, place people into religous leadership, that are not really guided by God, but secretly by the Darkness.

And I want to go into that.

Peace.
 

mickiel

Well-Known Member
The Darkness employs the darkside of man, it will uplift every thought in man that is against God, thats why Atheism thrives where it does. Thats why hate groups will never really die out, they have a constant supply of the Darkness to power them.

And I want to get into that.

Peace.
 
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