Akivah
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Hello 1137
So after the nine pages so far, have you discovered an answer to your posted question?
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How in the world can ANYBODY think the Jews and Christians have the same god, that Jesus is messiah?
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Hello 1137
So after the nine pages so far, have you discovered an answer to your posted question?
Indeed I have.
Indeed. Coming from a critical thinking / logical perspective, obviously the deities are different and Christ ends up as a blasphemous figure, it's the rare case of legitimately sound reasoning in religion. The answer to how people can believe otherwise is simply that they choose to. They are not concerned with truth or reason, they are concerned with what they want to be right being right.
Akivah
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Well...the sages of Judaism don't universally agree that Christianity worships a different deity. It's hard to make any sweeping statement about Christianity as every adherent has differing beliefs. The basic conclusion that I've read is that Christians that believe their man is divine are definitely worshiping something different from Judaism and those that don't believe their man is divine are worshiping something similar to Judaism.
People have beliefs based on their own unique upbringing, education, and experiences. I agree that they will believe as they choose to. Once a belief is established in a person's mind, they will find the truth and reasons to support it.
Kolibri
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With all due respect, while that may be a basic tenet of Judiasm, I have have an issue with reconciling it with scriptures like this:
"How often they rebelled against him in the wilderness And made him feel hurt in the desert! Again and again they put God to the test, And they grieved (or "pained.") the Holy One of Israel." - Ps 78:40,41
rosends
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That verse and many others is a perfect example of what I said. When we write, we do so using language that man understands. God doesn't have a strong right hand, or a back or face. God doesn't have regret, needs, anger or jealousy. But we do and we use words that reflect what WE are in order to understand (in the only way we can) and relate to a divine which so far transcends us and our finite experiences that we would be totally lost without the linguistic bridge.
This is an old idea (talmudic often) and is codified in the works of Maimonides. Here is a primer Yahoo! Groups
To those of the Jewish Faith. I am a Christian who is deeply interest in the Jewish
religion and would appreciate links to good sites where I can learn more.
I've always respected the Jewish religion but would love to lean more.(without the backhanded remarks or slams against Christians please).
I have a cousin a good man who is a Witness and tells me the Jews are no longer
God's chosen. I'm not taking his word for that.
I want to learn from a non biased place.
Regards and respect.
jeager
religion and would appreciate links to good sites where I can learn more.
I've always respected the Jewish religion but would love to lean more.(without the backhanded remarks or slams against Christians please).
I have a cousin a good man who is a Witness and tells me the Jews are no longer
God's chosen. I'm not taking his word for that.
I want to learn from a non biased place.
Regards and respect.
jeager
Akivah
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I personally like aish.com. It has many rabbi contributors and covers a wide range of topics.
Flankerl
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Thank you all for the wondrful links.
How could I make intelligent comments w/o knowing from where I speak?
I know, I know, there are plenty that speak w/o knowing, I just don't want to
be one of them. I can accidentily make an arse of myself anytime, don't want to do it on purpose.
How could I make intelligent comments w/o knowing from where I speak?
I know, I know, there are plenty that speak w/o knowing, I just don't want to
be one of them. I can accidentily make an arse of myself anytime, don't want to do it on purpose.
Good grief!
Much better!
These emotions are ascribed, because they are being displayed by God. Anger, love. These are emotions. God loves, God becomes angry. God has emotions. Apathy, is what you are saying God possesses in saying that God does not have emotion. Whereas, even apathy, is an emotion.
Anthropopathic rubbish.
rosends
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Emotions aren't expressed by God. We understand things as emotions through our own lens. I am not saying God has apathy, only that what God is and the concept of what God has are so far beyond our understanding that we are forced to use limiting words to capture some tiny bit of connection. That you label the ineffable "apathetic" just shows the struggle you are having with the idea. That's fine. My level of non-comprehension and yours are clearly two different levels. I can live with that.
It's somewhat equivalent to the difference between …
"I don't really understand quantum mechanics."
"… er, … uh … Quinton who?"
Mistranslations in the Christian Bible?
Really?
Kidding. Since I began researching meanings for myself I've learned of many
mistranslations in all the various translations of the Christian Bible.
I'm not knocking our Bible & suspect there a mistranslated words, changing meanings, in the Jewish Bible also but perhaps I'm wrong about that.
Ergo whey I came here..........to learn, not bash anyone's religion.
Islam is the "religion of Peace, but there sure is a large amount of terrible violence
even between different groups of Muslims. When I say violence I mean the murder
of Muslims, by Muslims as well as the murder of Jews, Christians, and anyone not of the "correct" version of Islam. There is even the murder of the same group of Muslims but of different tribes.
I do not understand that.
I'm still wondering if Mary, mother of Jesus was a young woman & pregnant or
a pregnant virgin.
Really?
Kidding. Since I began researching meanings for myself I've learned of many
mistranslations in all the various translations of the Christian Bible.
I'm not knocking our Bible & suspect there a mistranslated words, changing meanings, in the Jewish Bible also but perhaps I'm wrong about that.
Ergo whey I came here..........to learn, not bash anyone's religion.
Islam is the "religion of Peace, but there sure is a large amount of terrible violence
even between different groups of Muslims. When I say violence I mean the murder
of Muslims, by Muslims as well as the murder of Jews, Christians, and anyone not of the "correct" version of Islam. There is even the murder of the same group of Muslims but of different tribes.
I do not understand that.
I'm still wondering if Mary, mother of Jesus was a young woman & pregnant or
a pregnant virgin.
Exactly why they need a guide.