How in the world can ANYBODY think the Jews and Christians have the same god, that Jesus is messiah?

[dantech]

Um... no. It is one of the 13 Principles of Faith that Jews DO await the Messiah. The fact that many Jews don't wait with baited breath for his coming is closer to the truth, but even if it doesn't fill our every waking moment, that doesn't mean that it isn't at least on the back-burner.

The coming of the Messiah is mentioned in everyday prayers, after meal Grace, and just about any time we say anything liturgical.

We are on the same page again!

Hey I'm with you all along. But ask just the Jews on this site and you'll see that many of them don't believe one will come. Many believe in a messianic era rather than a messiah.

 

[Harmonious]

Hey I'm with you all along. But ask just the Jews on this site and you'll see that many of them don't believe one will come. Many believe in a messianic era rather than a messiah.

True enough, but I don't think it's fair to say that only the Ultra-Orthodox actually believe in the coming of the Messiah.

 

[dantech]

True enough, but I don't think it's fair to say that only the Ultra-Orthodox actually believe in the coming of the Messiah.

I didn't. I said it's common for most ultra-orthodox to await one. But I do see where I could have been misunderstood.

 

[Desert Snake]

was watching some ultra orthodox interview, very intelligent

 

[Desert Snake]

Some might think they are set in an illogic mindset, that was not what I observed.

 

[Harmonious]

I didn't. I said it's common for most ultra-orthodox to await one. But I do see where I could have been misunderstood.

Fair enough.

 

[Harmonious]

was watching some ultra orthodox interview, very intelligent

Nice. Which interview caught your attention?

 

[Desert Snake]

Well, actually it was an unrelated topic. The 'topic' was supposed to be about Palestine, but the viewpoints given related to Messiah and the nature of the Jewish responsibility as Jews, etc. It all made sense to me.

Nice. Which interview caught your attention?

 

[Desert Snake]

@Harmonious
This is 'man on the street' type interviews

 

[Thana]

By believing it flawed / wrong, by following the most blasphemous false prophet / Messiah in history, by accepting the rejection of the OT...

Are you... lecturing me? It's cute, but unless I'm forgetting something, You're not Jewish so I have no idea why you're defending Judaism and condeming Christianity.

 

[Thana]

Why are Christians so attached to the word "monotheism"?

Jews and Muslims are monotheistic. Christians are tritheistic. Trinitarian if you will. This concept of "Trinitarian monotheism" is confusing, and that is being charitable.

Realizing that "trinitarian monotheism" was an oxymoron was my first step away from Christianity. Grownups actually believed this, when even a little kid could see the logical problem. I realized that adults would tell me things about God that were obviously untrue, without the wink and nod Santa came with (by age 8).

I started looking at all the stuff they told me with a lot more skepticism. Then I got a Bible and read it for myself and realized that "This is fiction!". Even Jesus didn't believe this stuff.

Tom

Because Christianity is Monotheism.

Look, I'm getting a little tired of having to debate cold hard facts.
You know how Creationsts deny Evolution? Well it doesn't matter how hard they deny it, Evolution is still fact. Same is true for you, No matter how hard you deny it you'll never be right

I just don't understand why you guys are so desperate to label Christianity polytheism, As if that'd somehow take something away from it or demean it.

And, as I've had to say once again, Not all Christians are Trinitarians.

 

[Faybull]

It is a principle of faith that God isn't physical, never was, nor ever will be.

God has emotion. A physical characteristic of a living being.

 

[Willamena]

Because Christianity is Monotheism.

Look, I'm getting a little tired of having to debate cold hard facts.
You know how Creationsts deny Evolution? Well it doesn't matter how hard they deny it, Evolution is still fact. Same is true for you, No matter how hard you deny it you'll never be right...

That's cold hard denial.

 

[Thana]

That's cold hard denial.

Polytheism - "Polytheism" refers to the worship of or belief in multiple deities usually assembled into a pantheon of gods and goddesses, along with their own religions and rituals.
Monotheism - "Monotheism" is defined as belief in the existence of one god or in the oneness of God.

Christianity is an Abrahamic, monotheistic religion based on the life and oral teachings of Jesus of Nazareth as presented in the New Testament.

The Holy spirit isn't a God/deity and Jesus isn't a God/deity. There is only one God, Therefore Monotheism.


Source - Christianity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[1137]

Are you... lecturing me? It's cute, but unless I'm forgetting something, You're not Jewish so I have no idea why you're defending Judaism and condeming Christianity.

So much wrong for this. First, I'm debatably Jewish, was raised Jewish, have incorporated Judaism into my system, and have never renounced Judaism. Therefore, I'm Jewish.

Second, whether I'm Jewish or not is literally 100% irrelevant. Like, as irrelevant as possible. My intent doesn't matter at all, not if you believe in the existence of truth.

 

[Thana]

So much wrong for this. First, I'm debatably Jewish, was raised Jewish, have incorporated Judaism into my system, and have never renounced Judaism. Therefore, I'm Jewish.

Second, whether I'm Jewish or not is literally 100% irrelevant. Like, as irrelevant as possible. My intent doesn't matter at all, not if you believe in the existence of truth.

I was asking why someone who doesn't even believe in HaShem would defend Judaism as more valid than Christianity. It seemed absurd to me.

And it is absurd, Isn't it? If you believe that the Abrahamic God is not real, Than neither Christianity nor Judaism has any more truth than the other.

 

[Harmonious]

God has emotion. A physical characteristic of a living being.

Emotion isn't physical. It is described using physical attributes, like "snorting through one's nose," or "eyes lighting up," but the actual emotions are NOT physical.

If you want to say that the brain chemistry that regulate emotions are physical, it would be to say that the biology that uses chemistry is physical. The actual emotions are NOT physical.

 

[Faybull]

Emotion isn't physical. It is described using physical attributes, like "snorting through one's nose," or "eyes lighting up," but the actual emotions are NOT physical.

If you want to say that the brain chemistry that regulate emotions are physical, it would be to say that the biology that uses chemistry is physical. The actual emotions are NOT physical.

Emotion is a physical reaction. An emotion is expressed by a physical means, supplied by a physical means.

An emotion is physical.

 

[Lyndon]

Emotions are thoughts-feelings, their only physicality are the is on the microscopic level, neuro chemicals moving around in your brains, and synapses firing.IMHO

 

[1137]

I was asking why someone who doesn't even believe in HaShem would defend Judaism as more valid than Christianity. It seemed absurd to me.

And it is absurd, Isn't it? If you believe that the Abrahamic God is not real, Than neither Christianity nor Judaism has any more truth than the other.

Do you accept that truth exists in the Hebrew and Christian scriptures or not? If yes then my beliefs have no effect on truth and if no you wouldn't be here debating. As you obviously noted by pointing out my non-Jewish religion I am a Luciferian, meaning I hold truth and logic to such a high degree you could almost call it worship, they are almost deified. Therefore, ALL arguments are technicly relevant to my beliefs, and even assuming I wasn't technically jewish and the religion meant nothing to me, the illogical and plain silly conclusion that the Christian god is the same as the Hebrew god, and that Jesus is the messiah the Hebrew god promised, is my concern.