How many gods then?!!

[Popeyesays]

lol ,I agree , but Moeegypt seems like he is just typing anything he sees fit without trying to communicate any message at all really, just a little bit more effort wouldnt hurt is all I'm saying, no offesne ofcourse, this is my secodn language as well, but if you can speak decent english, you should be able to type decently enough to get your message across.

Sorry, Salaam, his English is every bit as good as yours.

Regards,
Scott

 

[moegypt]

I know that most of members know that this english isn't from english man

and they put this on their thinking (consideration)

 

[MoonWater]

You've made a lot off assumptions in this thread, Mo, and the only thing you've used so far to back them up is the Quran. Which obviously works for you and for others who hold the Quran as the word of God... but if your going to convince those that don't believe in the quran that there is only one God then your going to have to use something other than the quran.

 

[MoonWater]

I mean that scientists discovered equations each day may be

the equation of motion
the equations of liquids..

Who create this before... scientists,No.. they discovered- by work hard -it and make relations between them to make new relation.

No actually those scientists did create the equations. God may have made the motion and the liquids but it was man who created the numbers and symbols used to describe those motions and liquids and their interaction with the world.

There is one God who put these regular equations

You assume that it was one God. Do you have anything to back this up? Other than The Quran?(like I said it may be proof for you but it isn't proof for me or anyone else who doesn't take it as the word of God)

If God can be infinite why can't there be an infinite number of Gods?

 

[Don Penguinoini]

You've made a lot off assumptions in this thread, Mo, and the only thing you've used so far to back them up is the Quran. Which obviously works for you and for others who hold the Quran as the word of God... but if your going to convince those that don't believe in the quran that there is only one God then your going to have to use something other than the quran.

I agree with thise absolutely 100%, i tried laying this to lava, but i don't think he bothered to even read it.

 

[moegypt]

You assume that it was one God. Do you have anything to back this up? Other than The Quran?(like I said it may be proof for you but it isn't proof for me or anyone else who doesn't take it as the word of God)

If God can be infinite why can't there be an infinite number of Gods?

MoonWater,

I tried to use logic with Quran

 

[moegypt]

No actually those scientists did create the equations. God may have made the motion and the liquids but it was man who created the numbers and symbols used to describe those motions and liquids and their interaction with the world.

No NO,

Scientists didn't create the equations

they discover and make relations between what they had discovered by working hard and this is very different from "create".

They didn't creat the motion, they discoverd alot of things about the motion system and they make new relations using the first relations.

 

[moegypt]

If atheists give the opportunity to their souls, they will reach the truth.

Polemize prevent them.

 

[dorsk188]

I can't believe that everyone let this slide for more than 5 pages!

2.Every person has a unique finger print, unique DNA, unique retina,
unique scent, the earth and planets float in a perfect orbit,
all this clearly show One Super Power Creator.

If orbits were perfect, then we wouldn't be facing a possble massive asteroid strike in 2039. If orbits were perfect, we wouldn't have smacked into another planet creating our own moon. If orbits were perfect, they wouldn't eventually decay (as our orbit around the sun will). Orbits were initially described as perfect circles (still sometimes are), and that was evidence of a god creating them. Then we discovered they are ellipses. Far from perfect. Pluto's orbit is insane. Asteroids, ditto... Perfect... :slap:

 

[moegypt]

I can't believe that everyone let this slide for more than 5 pages!

If orbits were perfect, then we wouldn't be facing a possble massive asteroid strike in 2039. If orbits were perfect, we wouldn't have smacked into another planet creating our own moon. If orbits were perfect, they wouldn't eventually decay (as our orbit around the sun will). Orbits were initially described as perfect circles (still sometimes are), and that was evidence of a god creating them. Then we discovered they are ellipses. Far from perfect. Pluto's orbit is insane. Asteroids, ditto... Perfect... :slap:

You remember everything! and forget that the age of the earth is billions of years.and it hadn't destroyed until now.

 

[Luke_17:2]

I once heard this idea that there is one god for every race in the universe. Something about our God being a combination of Allah, Jehovah, and all the other gods of all the religions. Excepting gods of chaos and evil, and devils, etc.

Supposedly, they and all the others gods of the universe got together and created the universe and each was given a planet to dominate.

To me this is crap, but it sounds kinda cool...

P.S. They basically suggested that all religions were correct, but all were wrong: each only was able to obtain "a portion" of who God is. But the polytheists were closest because of all the supposed divine manifestations of this watered down god. But that pantheists were the furthest because "god" does not manifest himself in things in nature.

 

[MoonWater]

MoonWater,

I tried to use logic with Quran

I know. And I'm simply telling you that the Qu'ran only acts as proof of anything for those who believe the Qu'ran is the word of God.

 

[MoonWater]

No NO,

Scientists didn't create the equations

they discover and make relations between what they had discovered by working hard and this is very different from "create".

They didn't creat the motion, they discoverd alot of things about the motion system and they make new relations using the first relations.

I didn't say man created motion. The point is that God may have created motion and decided how it would work and what not. Scientists discovered motion and discovered how it worked and then created equations to describe it. Unless you want to make the claim that the number system, alphabet, and mathmatical symbols were given to us by God as well. But then that's a debate for another thread. Man created the number system, alphabet and symbols that we use to describe motion as well as everything else in the universe. We didn't create motion or anything like that. We just created a way to describe it to ourselves. And that's what equations do. They describe not create.

 

[dorsk188]

You remember everything! and forget that the age of the earth is billions of years.and it hadn't destroyed until now.

Actually... There is very little that can actually DESTROY a planet. But the missing planet smashing into Earth made the entire surface molten and caused rock to rain down for quite a long time (not to mention the concussive blast of the impact). Even the Death Star didn't really destroy Alderaan because technically, most of those fragments would probably be drawn back together by gravity and recreate the planet.

Life is a different story, but most life has been destroyed quite a few times. If there was anything on Earth before the Moon incident, it was instantly vaporized. We are still facing the possibility of extinction at any time, for many reasons.

Luke: Sounds like L. Ron Hubbard on crack. Religion combined with bad science fiction...

And wasn't the 33 million gods a hyperbole to simply explain that there were too many to name? Or were there really 33 million gods by name?

 

[K.Venugopal]

I believe that there is one God

You are an honest person. You say "I believe that there is one God". You don't directly say, "There is one God." Therefore you are admiting that yours is only a believe. You hold a believe when you are not sure it is a fact. That is, you may be sure of your believe, but you are not sure that your believe is a fact. This position is inevitable because religion is in the realm of the subjective. It is not an objective science that can be reduced to the limits of the five senses. The whole problem arises when a religion seeks to pass off believe as fact.

 

[Don Penguinoini]

I think Mo is the only person who doesen't put his views as the one and only. K.Venugopal, i hope you can participate on the Hindu forum.

 

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[roli]

Tell me please,

How we can believe that there are Gods in this egg??

Gods in this ball and Gods onother balls?? How many Gods will be then ?

35|41|Lo! Allah graspeth the heavens and the earth that they deviate not, and if they were to deviate there is not one that could grasp them after Him. Lo! He is ever Clement, Forgiving.

One God, one faith, one baptism,one LORD , but why are there so many doctrines, beliefs etc,contrary to the God of Abraham, Issac ,Jacob.
Because men have found and followed after other men who profess they are the latest revaltion of the truth and thus we have world relgions ,but no change in people's behavior ,nature and actions.
You pick your own god to be the one god if you choose, but studying the bible as a Christian for many years now, it is clear the judeo Christian God is the not the same God as the Muslim god, hindu, buddist, mormon,jehovah W, regardless of how determined one is to try and put the square peg into the round hole, the judeo Christian God is not the same God as the rest.
How can the gods be the same when, the doctrines ,teachings, prophets, etc are all different.
If there is one God and all these relgions are from him,he must be one confused being,who in my opinion, does'nt even deserve, nor bare the makings of a all knowing ,all powerful god.
He is certainly not meant to bring harmony,and clarity,to his followers, but on the contrary,that of confusion, war, decension,divison etc

 

[MoonWater]

One God, one faith, one baptism,one LORD , but why are there so many doctrines, beliefs etc,contrary to the God of Abraham, Issac ,Jacob.
Because men have found and followed after other men who profess they are the latest revaltion of the truth and thus we have world relgions ,but no change in people's behavior ,nature and actions.
You pick your own god to be the one god if you choose, but studying the bible as a Christian for many years now, it is clear the judeo Christian God is the not the same God as the Muslim god, hindu, buddist, mormon,jehovah W, regardless of how determined one is to try and put the square peg into the round hole, the judeo Christian God is not the same God as the rest.
How can the gods be the same when, the doctrines ,teachings, prophets, etc are all different.
If there is one God and all these relgions are from him,he must be one confused being,who in my opinion, does'nt even deserve, nor bare the makings of a all knowing ,all powerful god.
He is certainly not meant to bring harmony,and clarity,to his followers, but on the contrary,that of confusion, war, decension,divison etc

Which is why it would be more likely that there are numerous Gods or no Gods. Or that there is one God and he just doesn't care what we believe so he lets us make up our own minds.

 

[Don Penguinoini]

One God, one faith, one baptism,one LORD , but why are there so many doctrines, beliefs etc,contrary to the God of Abraham, Issac ,Jacob.
Because men have found and followed after other men who profess they are the latest revaltion of the truth and thus we have world relgions ,but no change in people's behavior ,nature and actions.
You pick your own god to be the one god if you choose, but studying the bible as a Christian for many years now, it is clear the judeo Christian God is the not the same God as the Muslim god, hindu, buddist, mormon,jehovah W, regardless of how determined one is to try and put the square peg into the round hole, the judeo Christian God is not the same God as the rest.
How can the gods be the same when, the doctrines ,teachings, prophets, etc are all different.
If there is one God and all these relgions are from him,he must be one confused being,who in my opinion, does'nt even deserve, nor bare the makings of a all knowing ,all powerful god.
He is certainly not meant to bring harmony,and clarity,to his followers, but on the contrary,that of confusion, war, decension,divison etc

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