Alceste
Vagabond
It is not a bad thing if you don't seek to destroy the reputation and credibility of scientists and the scientific method simply because you do not understand it.
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How Many Scientists Fabricate and Falsify Research?
- Thread starter Man of Faith
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It is not a bad thing if you don't seek to destroy the reputation and credibility of scientists and the scientific method simply because you do not understand it.
Man of Faith
Well-Known Member
This survey was scientific, I just posted it that's all.
Alceste
Vagabond
Yes, and cherry picked a typo from it, which is inconsistent with the rest of the statistical findings in the report. Why did you do that?
Man of Faith
Well-Known Member
I didn't know it was a typo, or I wouldn't have done that. I saw something that was making a good argument for me and I went for it. It was analogous to finding a shiny nickle on the ground.
Man of Faith
Well-Known Member
I'm not used to ready scientific papers. If it was the Bible I would have known what to do. Let me apologize for posting a typo.
Maybe if God were peer reviewed in a scientific journal this never would've happened.
Alceste
Vagabond
This is the fundamental difference between "creation science" and science.
Man of Faith
Well-Known Member
Maybe if God were peer reviewed in a scientific journal this never would've happened.
God has no peers.
Man of Faith
Well-Known Member
If I was a scientist you might could say that. :no:
Jose Fly
Fisker of men
What does that mean? You're going to drop this argument like a hot rock and look for the next "shiny nickel"?
Did it ever occur to you to stop looking for convenient "shiny nickels" and actually take the time to study evolutionary biology (since you're so interested in it)?
Alceste
Vagabond
You haven't explained why a typo suggesting that scientists are pathological liars would appear to you like "a shiny nickel" that would "help your argument". Auto also has been probing on this subject and you haven't replied to her either - do you have a problem with the scientific method? Is that your argument?
Man of Faith
Well-Known Member
I scientifically verified that I posted a typo (by accident) in the OP and corrected it. See the typo and correction below. And I apologize to the scientific community and the scientists on this forum. Thank you.
Typo:
81% were “willing to select, omit or fabricate data to win a grant or publish a paper”
Correction:
15% were “willing to select, omit or fabricate data to win a grant or publish a paper”
Typo:
81% were “willing to select, omit or fabricate data to win a grant or publish a paper”
Correction:
15% were “willing to select, omit or fabricate data to win a grant or publish a paper”
Man of Faith
Well-Known Member
Thank you, I got it.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
It would help to study science and methodology more and to formulate a discipline in yourself in order to help better notice details. Also an emotional argument while serving some benefit in an ethereal sense, is simply no substitute for rationality. It might help out if you should go for a clash in order to get a point across. :sw:
Man of Faith
Well-Known Member
So scientists are honest after all, well that doesn't mean they couldn't still be wrong. I need to find that shiney nickle. 
OmarKhayyam
Well-Known Member
It is a bad thing if you pretend to knowledge you do not have. You know less than nothing about Toe and have proved that beyond doubt. Further you don't CARE. So why should any of us (including your children) pay any attention to anything you say on the subject?
As for needing it no you won't. You won't "need" anything.You will be dead.
Alceste
Vagabond
OK, so now we're on track for a discussion of whether the selective use, omission or fabrication of data is a reason to be skeptical of science in general.
My opinion is yes, absolutely. The scientists we should be most skeptical of are those who are financed by corporations who stand to profit from the dissemination of false information. Good examples would be climate change skeptics, GMO advocates and the biomedical industry. A little bit of scientific misinformation in these fields can cause catastrophic harm to humanity and the ecosystem that sustains us, so we should be very careful what we believe if it comes from scientists whose funding is tied to corporate profits.
On the other hand, I simply can't see who stands to make a vast fortune from spreading misinformation about evolutionary biology. Sure, biologists make a living doing their jobs, but their wages don't increase in direct proportion to their willingness to lie about their findings - as they do in the fields of climate change, GMO and biomedical research.
My opinion is yes, absolutely. The scientists we should be most skeptical of are those who are financed by corporations who stand to profit from the dissemination of false information. Good examples would be climate change skeptics, GMO advocates and the biomedical industry. A little bit of scientific misinformation in these fields can cause catastrophic harm to humanity and the ecosystem that sustains us, so we should be very careful what we believe if it comes from scientists whose funding is tied to corporate profits.
On the other hand, I simply can't see who stands to make a vast fortune from spreading misinformation about evolutionary biology. Sure, biologists make a living doing their jobs, but their wages don't increase in direct proportion to their willingness to lie about their findings - as they do in the fields of climate change, GMO and biomedical research.
Man of Faith
Well-Known Member
Somone needs to watch Expelled the movie.
Alceste
Vagabond
lol. Oh dear.
I'll make you a deal. If you watch Richard Attinburgh's "The Life of Mammals", I'll watch Expelled. You'd better take notes, because there WILL be a quiz.