How on earth can the Qur'an be considered the perfect book?

[outhouse]

they mean that the Qur'an was copied by the Muslims

Some places do show copying. Like in Genesis

But most is plagiarized.

That means they take the ideas and change them to fit their own needs, and then claim theirs is the only true version.

Copy does not mean plagiarize, they are two different words with two different meanings.

 

[Augustus]

Sure Romans used siege weapons, but siege warfare have been around long before the Greeks and Romans.

Was really making the point that the Islamic tradition has Islam appearing amongst an isolated group of Pagans in Central Arabia, yet there remain traditions in which they utilise Roman weapons and tactics. Why do Central Arabian bedouin traders have Roman siege weapons?

The tradition tries to isolate the early Muslims from the surrounding region for theological reasons, but this is likely ahistorical. Many involved in the Arab conquests were likely formerly federated Roman troops (who weren't pagans).

The rise of the Arabs possible mirrors the rise of the Germanic tribes who, through prolonged interaction with the Romans as their military proxies, gained wealth, organisation skills, and the ability to unify disparate tribes into a small number of much more powerful tribal federations. Eventually they realised that they were more powerful than their former masters and instead of defending the Romans, started to attack them.

This is a process that began long before Muhammed.

 

[outhouse]

Islam appearing amongst an isolated group of Pagans in Central Arabia

This above. Does not have to equal. This below.

do Central Arabian bedouin

 

[outhouse]

Not only that, EXACTLY the same way Christianity swallowed Hellenistic Judaism.

Islam absorbed much of Arabic Christianity and Judaism.

And this was widespread geographically.

And bandits stealing from larger tribes might run across weapons they would be interested in.

 

[Augustus]

And bandits stealing from larger tribes might run across weapons they would be interested in.

Tribes tended not to walk around carrying roman seige engines though.

Also, unlike swords, they require skill and experience to make them useful.

It also doesn't explain roman style military tactics also attested to at times.

Meanwhile, we know that Arabs had formed a large part of the Roman forces for centuries. So...

 

[use_your_brain]

The Baath ideology of Saddam Hussein and his supporters is in some senses socialist - although I would rather call it nationalist or even Arabist - but how is that good news?

Saddam allegedly died by reciting Syahadah. It is a great death. Since the prophet said: "Whoever witnesses that there is no god but Allah alone enters Paradise."
Or:
""Whoever breathes his last with the words: La ilaha illallah, enters Paradise."

 

[use_your_brain]

Where outside of our space exactly is this water?

Above or beyond the seventh heavens. We are under/inside the first heaven.

 

[use_your_brain]

Lol arent 9 out of 10 IS leaders ex Baath members?

Good news then also. Many of the companions of the prophet were his ex enemies as well.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

His Throne has nothing to do with the earthly water. That water is in outside of our space.

This agreement on the content of verse
Did you read Arabic and understand her words well
Do you know jurisprudential rule that says no diligence in the text resource
And the translation of its meaning
If the text of the Quran is clear in his own words you can not diligence or interpreted
This rule jurisprudence taught in the faculties of Islamic lawThe beginning of the verse
God created the earth in six days
Although there is a conflict between the verses of the Koran because it is in any other seven days and say this is not our topic today
Look out
Created the earth in six days
And the word was
When you know the rules of the Arabic language
You will know that the character is the letter( و )( waw)is a sympathy letter
And this character means full connectivity between the two sentences
That the verse says that his throne on the ground water
Hard proof text from the Koran
Do you want to skew the Koran ????
If in the last place
where is he ???
Why God did not write the place for us ??
I believe that if the water has been discovered on Mars
They say it is written in the Koran
Mars becomes a holy place for you because the throne of God ????

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

I thought you were a christian .. showing your true colors now .. polytheism is better than monotheism?

Do you think that Islam believes in monotheism ???
That Islam is a religion of polytheism and many of evidence
The first evidence
Is it possible to become a Muslim if I said to God but only God ???
The answer is no
For I must say that Muhammad is the messenger of God ???This condition is the involvement of the Creator with the creature Mohammed
And equated him ??
This is an assault on God's absolute oneness
That is why I say that Islam is a religion far from oneness to God
There are other clues
But why paganism is better than Islam
Because the pagan sincere in his belief in God does not lie ??Fixed to the pagans They do not believe al-Qaida assault on others
While Islam believes in assaulting others
Islam has attacked my whole life
If I wanted to leave it will become Christian and pagan, but a peace-loving Mutnaa
And here we will meet with the concept of God in my mind and my heart

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Lol arent 9 out of 10 IS leaders ex Baath members?

Baath Party was a nationalist party that believes in Arabism
It makes religion after nationalism
He was the founder of the party of Christian Syria and named Michel Aflaq
The most important rule in which
The famous saying
If Muhammad was all Arabs
The light of truth all the Arabs today Mohammed

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

The thing is this .. my truth is to pursue righteousness and establish peace in a democratic fashion.
Your 'truth' is that Muhammad, peace be with him, is a fraud and a warlord ie. evil

Do you not like peace? Perhaps you'd like civil war in your own back yard?
Wisdom does not come from following evil

Is Islam known democracy ???
Muhammad was not known Islam after he went to Madinah
Mohammed sow the seed of hatred and resentment
It continues to this day

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Was really making the point that the Islamic tradition has Islam appearing amongst an isolated group of Pagans in Central Arabia, yet there remain traditions in which they utilise Roman weapons and tactics. Why do Central Arabian bedouin traders have Roman siege weapons?

The tradition tries to isolate the early Muslims from the surrounding region for theological reasons, but this is likely ahistorical. Many involved in the Arab conquests were likely formerly federated Roman troops (who weren't pagans).

The rise of the Arabs possible mirrors the rise of the Germanic tribes who, through prolonged interaction with the Romans as their military proxies, gained wealth, organisation skills, and the ability to unify disparate tribes into a small number of much more powerful tribal federations. Eventually they realised that they were more powerful than their former masters and instead of defending the Romans, started to attack them.

This is a process that began long before Muhammed.

That which helped in the success of the Islamic invasions and colonization to Syria and Iraq is the many reasons
Islam and the first concept of the spoils in Islam
Muslim was fighting for the spoils of a Koran laws
The presence of fighters with non-Arab Muslims
Because of the spoils
Here we call mercenaries in the modern eraBut it is influenced by Islam Pomegranate
Yes Romans was close to the Arabs
And the legal code of Justinian
Started in close to the advent of Islam period of time
The inheritance rules are derived of them one way or another

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Saddam allegedly died by reciting Syahadah. It is a great death. Since the prophet said: "Whoever witnesses that there is no god but Allah alone enters Paradise."
Or:
""Whoever breathes his last with the words: La ilaha illallah, enters Paradise."

Do you like Saddam Hussein ???
Excuse me to this question, which is off-topic
I love Saddam Hussein, whether inside or outside the Paradise
Saddam Hussein was a peaceful coexistence between religions in Iraq
Well

 

[morphesium]

Which do you think more dangerous, horrible and immoral, the quran or the nuclear bombs?

Quran

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Edited to add:-

An atom bomb may one day be used to save humanity from destruction. For example to blow up an asteroid heading directly to us (Earth).

Quran, with its barbaric laws and Psychotic demoralization of human minds and crippling human thoughts - can only hinder progress of humanity. It has only one determination - throw humanity back to dark ages.

Why believe in Quran and demoralize yourself when god himself has instilled virtues in you - your morality? With Quran, you are away from your true God.

 

[FearGod]

Quran

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Edited to add:-

An atom bomb may one day be used to save humanity from destruction. For example to blow an asteroid heading directly to us earth.

Why believe in Quran and demoralize yourself when god himself has instilled virtues in you - your morality? With Quran, you are away from your true God.

See who liked your post.
Yes, we can use the nuclear bombs to save the world, actually that's the purpose of it,
i think Iran will help as well.

 

[Augustus]

Yes, we can use the nuclear bombs to save the world, actually that's the purpose of it,
i think Iran will help as well.

Why stop at Iran? The more nukes, the better chances we have to save the world.

If everyone gets their own nuclear bomb then we can all help save the world from asteroids and flying saucers.

 

[FearGod]

Why stop at Iran? The more nukes, the better chances we have to save the world.

If everyone gets their own nuclear bomb then we all can help save the world from asteroids and flying saucers.

Yes they have to, also North Korea should keep producing effective nuclear bombs to destroy
the coming asteroids.

 

[Augustus]

And the legal code of Justinian
Started in close to the advent of Islam period of time
The inheritance rules are derived of them one way or another

Quite a few 'Islamic' laws derived from preexisting Roman and Persian laws, including the jizya:

As a matter of fact, Jizya or poll tax had been in vogue since before the advent of Islam. The Greeks are reported to have imposed a similar tax upon the inhabitants of the coastal regions of Asia Minor during 500 B.C. The Romans imposed similar taxes upon the people they conquered, and the amount was much heavier than what was later imposed by the Muslims. The Persians are also reported to have introduced a similar tax upon their subjects.6 According to Shibli Nu'mani, theword Jizya itself is the Arabicised version of the word c*c^ (Kizyat), meaning a levy which the Persian rulers used to employ in administering the affairs of war. Shibli further indicates that this term was either in currency in both the languages, or the Arabs adapted it from the Persian language.

Whatever the case, it is certain that the Arabs first knew about this tax from the Persians. The Sasanid emperor Nawsherwan is reported to have introduced a tax, upon his subjects also termed as Jizya by the Arab historians, with the exemption of the nobility, satraps, military personnel, secretaries and those in the service of the emperor, at the varying rates of 12/8/6/2 dirhams upon each person.

THE CONCEPT OF JIZYA IN EARLY ISLAM,
Ziauddin Ahmad
Islamic Studies, Vol. 14, No. 4

 

[FearGod]

Kizyat

Quite a few 'Islamic' laws derived from preexisting Roman and Persian laws, including the jizya:

As a matter of fact, Jizya or poll tax had been in vogue since before the advent of Islam. The Greeks are reported to have imposed a similar tax upon the inhabitants of the coastal regions of Asia Minor during 500 B.C. The Romans imposed similar taxes upon the people they conquered, and the amount was much heavier than what was later imposed by the Muslims. The Persians are also reported to have introduced a similar tax upon their subjects.6 According to Shibli Nu'mani, theword Jizya itself is the Arabicised version of the word c*c^ (Kizyat), meaning a levy which the Persian rulers used to employ in administering the affairs of war. Shibli further indicates that this term was either in currency in both the languages, or the Arabs adapted it from the Persian language.

Whatever the case, it is certain that the Arabs first knew about this tax from the Persians. The Sasanid emperor Nawsherwan is reported to have introduced a tax, upon his subjects also termed as Jizya by the Arab historians, with the exemption of the nobility, satraps, military personnel, secretaries and those in the service of the emperor, at the varying rates of 12/8/6/2 dirhams upon each person.

THE CONCEPT OF JIZYA IN EARLY ISLAM,
Ziauddin Ahmad
Islamic Studies, Vol. 14, No. 4

What is the historical written evidence that Jizya was a Persian word by origin?