How on earth can the Qur'an be considered the perfect book?

[Augustus]

What is the historical written evidence that Jizya was a Persian word by origin?

No idea. The point is cited to:

Shibli Nomani (Urdu: علامہ شبلی نعمانی‎ – ʿAllāmah Šiblī Noʿmānī) (3 June 1857 – 18 November 1914, Azamgarh district) was an Islamic scholar from Indian subcontinent during British Raj.[1] He was born at Bindwal in Azamgarh district of present-day Uttar Pradesh. He is known for the founding the Shibli National College in 1883 and the Darul Mussanifin in Azamgarh. Shibli was a versatile scholar in Arabic, Persian, Hindi, Turkish and Urdu. He was also a poet. He collected much material on the life of Prophet of Islam, Muhammad but could write only first two volumes of the planned work the Sirat-un-Nabi. His disciple, Syed Sulaiman Nadvi, made use of this material and added his own and wrote remaining five volumes of the work, the Sirat-un-Nabi after the death of his mentor.

 

[LuisDantas]

Yes they have to, also North Korea should keep producing effective nuclear bombs to destroy
the coming asteroids.

I take it that you are joking? That is very questionable taste, you know.

 

[FearGod]

No idea. The point is cited to:

Shibli Nomani (Urdu: علامہ شبلی نعمانی‎ – ʿAllāmah Šiblī Noʿmānī) (3 June 1857 – 18 November 1914, Azamgarh district) was an Islamic scholar from Indian subcontinent during British Raj.[1] He was born at Bindwal in Azamgarh district of present-day Uttar Pradesh. He is known for the founding the Shibli National College in 1883 and the Darul Mussanifin in Azamgarh. Shibli was a versatile scholar in Arabic, Persian, Hindi, Turkish and Urdu. He was also a poet. He collected much material on the life of Prophet of Islam, Muhammad but could write only first two volumes of the planned work the Sirat-un-Nabi. His disciple, Syed Sulaiman Nadvi, made use of this material and added his own and wrote remaining five volumes of the work, the Sirat-un-Nabi after the death of his mentor.

Do you regard this as a historical evidence.

 

[FearGod]

I take it that you are joking? That is very questionable taste, you know.

I'm as serious as his thoughts was.

 

[Jumi]

North Koreans can't produce those bombs, they just make a show of themselves trying to do it and see who believes them. Their society is too strict to allow science to flourish even compared to the Communists.

 

[LuisDantas]

I'm as serious as his thoughts was.

That being...?

 

[morphesium]

See who liked your post.
Yes, we can use the nuclear bombs to save the world, actually that's the purpose of it,
i think Iran will help as well.

What i said is this - Even a nuclear bomb which is totally destructive , can be used for a good and useful purpose for mankind. But not with Quran. I hope now you got it.

 

[LuisDantas]

Any scripture can be handled safely with enough care. But very few other than the Qur'an and perhaps the Bible make a point of insisting that you should simply accept what they say as true, regardless of the moral implications. Most people these days know better than to accept that. The few that do not tend to be rather troublesome.

 

[gnostic]

I see no problem for the many interpretations, people are free for how they want to understand the quran.
Regarding the Exalted in might, the wise is among the names of God.

If I was an author, and I was writing about myself, and give myself epithets, then everyone reading what I've written will think I vainglory, petty and superficial.

If Allah is indeed the author of the Qur'an as every Muslims believe, then I would view your god to be vainglory, petty and superficial.

 

[FearGod]

What i said is this - Even a nuclear bomb which is totally destructive , can be used for a good and useful purpose for mankind. But not with Quran. I hope now you got it.

No i don't get it, the Islamic empire used the quran and i don't need to tell
you what it did regarding knowledge and science.

 

[LuisDantas]

No i don't get it, the Islamic empire used the quran and i don't need to tell
you what it did regarding knowledge and science.

Which Islamic Empire? There were many.

Which, in an of itself, says something.

 

[FearGod]

If I was an author, and I was writing about myself, and give myself epithets, then everyone reading what I've written will think I vainglory, petty and superficial.

If Allah is indeed the author of the Qur'an as every Muslims believe, then I would view your god to be vainglory, petty and superficial.

If the king said , i'm the king
What the problem with it, God isn't a writer and (he) doesn't lick ice cream.
The problem that we portray God as if he's a human whereas he isn't.

 

[FearGod]

Which Islamic Empire? There were many.

Which, in an of itself, says something.

When they reached Spain.

 

[morphesium]

No i don't get it, the Islamic empire used the quran and i don't need to tell
you what it did regarding knowledge and science.

Please tell me the contribution of islam to knowlege and science in the last 500 years.
Please don't run away from here or alter the topic.
What we are seeing in front of us is this - deeply islamic people destroying ancient monuments and historic evidence. Where is the trace of other (non-islamic) religious people (or culture) that once populated the present islamic countries???
For this reason - I don't believe in islamic achievements that predate 200 or 300 years. It is more likely they are projecting someone else's achievement as theirs.

History is often made by the the powerful to favor themselves even though the powerful is more barbaric and uncivilized than the culture it overthrows.

 

[Augustus]

To you regard this as a historical evidence.

It was in a peer reviewed academic journal so it is likely true that somebody has made a reasoned argument for this etymology. Seeing as this person was Muslim then I would imagine that he genuinely believes it to be correct and has reasons for believing this. It also logically its into the history. It's possible that it is incorrect though.

The point was more about the laws, than the lexicon anyway and there is historical evidence that some Islamic laws were continuations of Roman and Persian practice which is unsurprising as the Arabs had no experience of running an empire so it was easier to keep existing social structures in place after the conquests. Nothing much changed except for the leadership.

If the Arabs used laws of the Romans and Persians then it isn't too hard to imagine that they might have kept some of the words for these laws also. That's what most people do when there isn't a word in their own language for what they want to describe, they just borrow a foreign one.

 

[LuisDantas]

When they reached Spain.

Umayyad Caliphate, I assume?

What did they do to knowledge and science then? I have no idea.

 

[FearGod]

Please tell me the contribution of islam to knowlege and science in the last 500 years.
Please don't run away from here or alter the topic.
What we are seeing in front of us is this - deeply islamic people destroying ancient monuments and historic evidence. Where is the trace of other (non-islamic) religious people (or culture) that once populated the present islamic countries???
For this reason - I don't believe in islamic achievements that predate 200 or 300 years. It is more likely they are projecting someone else's achievement as theirs.

History is often made by the the powerful even though the powerful is more barbaric and uncivilized than the culture it overthrows.

Believe what you want to believe, it doesn't make it a fact.

 

[LuisDantas]

Also, what does bringing up an empire from a thousand years ago suggest?

Why would it be a better example of Islam than, say, the Ottoman Empire that lasted so much longer and had such a sad, largely self-inflicted end?

 

[FearGod]

Umayyad Caliphate, I assume?

What did they do to knowledge and science then? I have no idea.

I said i don't need to and i ain't willing to too.

 

[LuisDantas]

Then you do not have any reason to expect people to believe you, it would seem to me.