How responsible is God for Satan's actions?

[BilliardsBall]

Let's say the Bible is true.

If a father lets a Serpent into the room with his children, knowing in advance what the serpent will do to them, isn't the father just as responsible as the serpent, especially if you consider the fact that the father made the serpent knowing what the serpent would do?

Adam and Eve were responsible adults, not children. And simply not eating of the tree would have caused the serpent to leave.

 

[Aldrnari]

No judgement. But you said you would not raise a child if there was a chance they would be a killer. Well, if you have a child there is a chance they will grow up to be a killer. That is just a fact of life.

Alright then.

That was not the example I originally gave. We went from fathering a serial killer, to fathering someone with a very good chance of being a serial killer, to now someone who is just a normal person? It seems you don't really want to honestly address the hypothetical.

So god isn't omniscient, then? At least, not any more omniscient than you or I?

 

[Aldrnari]

Omniscient?

That's the word, thank you.

 

[Aldrnari]

You understand that Satan is not an actual "serpent", but is himself a spirit child of God?

How dare a father allow one of his children to enter into a room with his other children.

Doesn't he know that he should judge his children more severely and segregate them by those who are "bad" and those who are "good"?

Even though the Father produced a son like Satan, He also produced a son like Jesus Christ.

So...doesn't that just prove that our Father is willing to let us choose how we wish to live our lives?

How dare He!

Except that son caused all suffering on earth, even to this day, no? Why not stop him when he first showed signs of his intent? God has put to death people in the bible for their evil before, no? (Sodom and Gomorrah and the flood, for example)

 

[Akivah]

Satan deceives people because God wants him to. if God didn't want Satan to deceive people, God could stop all of his efforts, and God chooses not to, making God just as responsible For the evil in the world.

Sorta of a duh here. G-d created evil. But evil isn't necessarily a bad thing.

 

[Aldrnari]

Sorta of a duh here. G-d created evil. But evil isn't necessarily a bad thing.

Not sure why Christians are so squirmy about admitting their god created evil- especially since the bible says he did.

Isaiah 45:7

 

[Prestor John]

Except that son caused all suffering on earth, even to this day, no?

No. He has not.

Satan cannot make anyone do anything.

Man is the leading cause of suffering upon the Earth.

Why not stop him when he first showed signs of his intent?

Stop him how?

Spirits are eternal. Satan cannot be killed or imprisoned.

The only way that Satan loses power is when people do as God has commanded them.

God has put to death people in the bible for their evil before, no? (Sodom and Gomorrah and the flood, for example)

Perfect examples of God dousing the fires of wickedness caused by Man that would have spread had He not intervened.

God has shared with us how to avoid all suffering and how to defeat Satan, but Man does not listen and obey as they should.

That is not God's fault.

 

[Twilight Hue]

That's a strawman argument.

The serpent in Genesis is not a wild snake that will bite you like you are representing in your OP.

It became a snake afterwards. Crawling on its belly the rest of its years.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Are you responsible for your children's actions after they become an adult?

No, because we have no foreknowledge of what a baby will do when it becomes an adult, so nothing the adult does was knowlingly enabled by the parent.

Does your god have foreknowledge of what will happen?

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

Let's say the Bible is true.

If a father lets a Serpent into the room with his children, knowing in advance what the serpent will do to them, isn't the father just as responsible as the serpent, especially if you consider the fact that the father made the serpent knowing what the serpent would do?

If the Bible is true, the god creature is responsible for everything. Every thing.

 

[Aldrnari]

No. He has not.

Satan cannot make anyone do anything.

Man is the leading cause of suffering upon the Earth.

I agree.

Stop him how?

Spirits are eternal. Satan cannot be killed or imprisoned.

Huh. But God made hell to imprison Satan there, no? Even legion mentions a fate of torment at the day of judgement in Mark, doesn't he (maybe not exactly, but he mentions an appointed time of torment)?

Secondly, why not? Where in the bible does it say spirits are indestructible, even in spite of God? He can create, but not destroy or confine spirits?

The only way that Satan loses power is when people do as God has commanded them.

Interesting. Where in the bible is this?

Perfect examples of God dousing the fires of wickedness caused by Man that would have spread had He not intervened.

Huh. Why didn't he douse the flame of Rwanda before so many perished? Why doesn't he nip the Kim Jong family reign over north Korea in the bud? What about the black plague? A lot of evil happened BECAUSE of that one (such as burning Jews en masse for "causing" it, for example). In fact, all throughout history the Jews have suffered all kinds of evil unchecked.

God has shared with us how to avoid all suffering and how to defeat Satan, but Man does not listen and obey as they should.

That is not God's fault.

Hmmm... What role do you believe Satan plays for people if he doesn't cause suffering? What makes him even an evil element at that point?

 

[Akivah]

Not sure why Christians are so squirmy about admitting their god created evil- especially since the bible says he did.

Isaiah 45:7

Well, they created their scriptures by mangling ours. IMO If they admit to one mistranslation, they open themselves up to recognizing all their mistranslations.

 

[Enoch07]

We aren't talking about the law, and according to the Bible god isn't much concerned about our human laws either.

God judges in much the same way.

 

[osgart]

They could have ate from the tree of life instead and lived forever. All they had to do was trust God's command.

The first step in any relationship is to establish deserved trust. They were with God first in the Garden. They knew God's trustworthiness. And chose instead to listen to a lie. A needless deception, when you have life everlasting as the other option.

It's an interesting myth. Since children in reality are born knowing nothing, and have to learn absolutely everything. Adam and Eve were made fully grown, and were taught from the hand of God. Unlike all of humanity as it really is.

 

[Enoch07]

No, because we have no foreknowledge of what a baby will do when it becomes an adult, so nothing the adult does was knowlingly enabled by the parent.

Does your god have foreknowledge of what will happen?

Refer to post #7 and follow that conversation. I am not rehashing same argument with a different person.

 

[Enoch07]

It became a snake afterwards. Crawling on its belly the rest of its years.

It was not a snake that spoke to Eve. Unless you believe snakes are capable of speech.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Refer to post #7 and follow that conversation. I am not rehashing same argument with a different person.

Responsibility isn’t a zero-sum game. If you know full well that someone is going to murder and you give him the weapon and send him on his way, you’re still responsible for what he does even though he’s also responsible for his own actions.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

It was not a snake that spoke to Eve. Unless you believe snakes are capable of speech.

The snake is full of all sorts of wacky things: talking snakes, talking donkeys, livestock that you can make different colours by waving different coloured sticks in front of their mothers... I could go on all day.

 

[Enoch07]

Responsibility isn’t a zero-sum game. If you know full well that someone is going to murder and you give him the weapon and send him on his way, you’re still responsible for what he does even though he’s also responsible for his own actions.

Refer to the conversation that was covered as well.

 

[Enoch07]

The snake is full of all sorts of wacky things: talking snakes, talking donkeys, livestock that you can make different colours by waving different coloured sticks in front of their mothers... I could go on all day.

I think you have imbibed too many drinks. A snake that is full of talking snakes, donkeys, etc?

Go grab some food and sober up then come talk.