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How should the Christian Church treat homosexuals?

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yourgraceisenough

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I'm talking about in the real world though.

Put it this way: if I were having a conversation about all this with a homophobic religious person whose homophobia stemmed from guilt and shame over their own sexual preferences, I wonder how many people like this consider denial a form of penance.

What I mean is: it can definitely be seen as a sort of sacrifice, or psychological self-circumcision, since it requires taking a part of yourself and casting it aside, theoretically forever.

I wonder how many secretly gay religious people are doing this in the hopes that the sacrifice will appease their God.

are all gays so insecure that they think anyone who disagrees with their ways is hiding something....:)

how very sad and pathetic...:)
 

yourgraceisenough

Active Member
Good night folks and God bless you all, up early for church tomorrow gone some teaching to do...

have a great day and may God keep you and guide you...
 

Gjallarhorn

N'yog-Sothep
Poe's Law states:
“ Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."
Well, we have the smiley...
 
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angellous_evangellous

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Good night folks and God bless you all, up early for church tomorrow gone some teaching to do...

have a great day and may God keep you and guide you...

Let's hope no "sinner" crosses your path.

They just might find themselves in the hands of an angry god - like a spider dangling over the fires of hell.

Abandon all hope ye who enter.
 
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angellous_evangellous

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Considering your professed regard for the bible, God, and Jesus (your trinity?) -- I would check your lack of fear for the Lord by putting words into his mouth.

I just can't get over that. I just don't understand how you could be so bold, and for a nefarious purpose.
 

InChrist

Free4ever
Let's hope no "sinner" crosses your path.

They just might find themselves in the hands of an angry god - like a spider dangling over the fires of hell.

Abandon all hope ye who enter.



I don't quite understand your accusations against yourgraceisenough. I don't see any signs of hatred or anger in any of his posts or reference to an angry God. He has consistently pointed to God's love and forgiveness toward sinners.
 

Vasiel

The Seeker
With the truth.

Ok Villager, allow me to ask you a question. In what way can you prove that the "truth" of the Bible is more valid than say the truth expressed in the Hindu Scriptures or the Islamic Scriptures, or even the Buddhist Scriptures?

Faith is based on relative experience (speaking from my own understanding here). I put it under the label of "relative truth". What evidence is there, besides the Bible, that proves that your relative truth is more valid than the relative truths, and experiences of people from other faiths, or indeed the scientific community?

Unless you can give substantial evidence, then you are going only on what you "believe" and it won't stick as a form of "absolute truth" like you claim it to be. The simple reason why it won't stick, is because each individual has faith (or lack thereof) according to their own relative experiences.

Without evidence your relative experience is equal in validity to my own. This is why religion can become illogical. Because it is human nature to try and enforce relativity upon others as absolute as a way of dominating others.

Even if the Bible does say that Homosexuality is bad. I am sure that there are other spiritual texts (ancient and new) that support sexuality and life in all its diversity. Using the Bible to prove the Bible does not work.

That's like me using the Lord of the Rings Trilogy to prove that Gandalf or Gollum or Sauron are real. Or like using the Silmarillion to prove that Eru Illuvatar is real. Sure I could believe they are real, but unless I can prove with substantial evidence outside the Silmarillion to prove it's existence.

Then my relative experience, whilst beneficial to my own life, will not hold up as more valid in comparison to another persons "belief" in say... Dumbledore.

So every single time you state that your understanding of the bible is the right one, I'm sorry... but I'm just going to have to ignore it. Until you come up with hard evidence to support your claim.

That then also means that you'll have to prove afterwards that the Bible is the "Absolute Truth" in light of the hundreds (and thousands) of other spiritual texts/scriptures.

Have fun with that :)
 

waitasec

Veteran Member
I have answered once, it does not bother me one way or the other
i'm not asking if it bothers you...
i'm asking does homosexuality undermine, infringe or disregard you in any way?
but as this thread is a bible debate it bothers God because it is a sin...:)
:facepalm:
i think "god" can take care of himself and can pass judgement without your assistance just fine
 

espo35

Active Member
I don't quite understand your accusations against yourgraceisenough. I don't see any signs of hatred or anger in any of his posts or reference to an angry God. He has consistently pointed to God's love and forgiveness toward sinners.

While he is correct in his message, for some reason he sure is an irritating little b*stard.
 

espo35

Active Member
i'm not asking if it bothers you...
i'm asking does homosexuality undermine, infringe or disregard you in any way?

:facepalm:
i think "god" can take care of himself and can pass judgement without your assistance just fine

I know this question wasn't directed towards me, but....

It bothers me when people ask me to accept it as normal, acceptable behavior and to embrace it and to teach my children the same.

Bullpoop.
 

waitasec

Veteran Member
I don't quite understand your accusations against yourgraceisenough. I don't see any signs of hatred or anger in any of his posts or reference to an angry God. He has consistently pointed to God's love and forgiveness toward sinners.

no he hasn't. he has displayed dishonest tactics by pussyfooting direct questions.
it's interesting he never asks questions, guess he knows everything :facepalm:
 

waitasec

Veteran Member
I know this question wasn't directed towards me, but....

It bothers me when people ask me to accept it as normal, acceptable behavior and to embrace it and to teach my children the same.

Bullpoop.

it's a fact of the real world...deal with it already.
 
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