How should the Christian Church treat homosexuals?

[yourgraceisenough]

What is fact. Anything supported by a document, a narrative from one who is an authority, a judgement made final, a forensic finding, etc? If you think I`m garbling its simply because there`s no sense in debating why homosexuals should be banned or allowed to worship in Christina Churches. If this is what you think. STOP all together this non-sense about homosexuality. Mind your own business, so to speak. You were not born yesterday. If you continue attacking homosexuals, it`s because you envy them!

christina church...is that a new denomination...

envy yeah thats what it is, you've got me there....

 

[yourgraceisenough]

That is a lie. Nowhere does it say homosexuals will never find the kingdom.

yes it does...

 

[Vasiel]

the militant gays are the ones forcing the gay agenda....

I guess you think the Gay Agenda also wants to convert your children?

Again, stereotypes... which hold very little substance in this debate.

The only thing the LGBTIQ Community wants is to be recognised as equal. Marriage is the final hurdle to us reaching that level of lawful/social equality. Equal Rights does not mean Special Rights.

We want the chance to have the same responsibility as straight couples do to make commitments to those we love. That's a big thing so many fundamentalists don't understand. This isn't just about sex, this is about two equal, committed people wishing to settle down in a life-long relationship.

 

[Fester]

yes it does...

Book, chapter, verse, please.

I already know what you're going to post, and this is gonna be fun. opcorn:

Be back in about an hour...

 

[yourgraceisenough]

I guess you think the Gay Agenda also wants to convert your children?

Again, stereotypes... which hold very little substance in this debate.

The only thing the LGBTIQ Community wants is to be recognised as equal. Marriage is the final hurdle to us reaching that level of lawful/social equality. Equal Rights does not mean Special Rights.

We want the chance to have the same responsibility as straight couples do to make commitments to those we love. That's a big thing so many fundamentalists don't understand. This isn't just about sex, this is about two equal, committed people wishing to settle down in a life-long relationship.

so you don't think people like tatchell are forcing gay rights or campaigning for lower ages for gay consensual sex than for heterosexual sex...

the gay couple who picked on a christian B&B was purely coincidence...

 

[krsnaraja]

Love is a beautiful thing...I love my God, I love my wife and kids and grand kids, I love my friends and I love sinners enough to speak to them as often as I can about the great Love my God has for them...

That`s the gayest post so far I read in many years! : hamster :

 

[yourgraceisenough]

Book, chapter, verse, please.

I already know what you're going to post, and this is gonna be fun. opcorn:

Be back in about an hour...

bye hopefully by then you will remember what denomination you belong to...

 

[krsnaraja]

bye hopefully by then you will remember what denomination you belong to...

If you keep ignoring me, you will soon have doubts about your divinity.

 

[Vasiel]

so you don't think people like tatchell are forcing gay rights or campaigning for lower ages for gay consensual sex than for heterosexual sex...

the gay couple who picked on a christian B&B was purely coincidence...

Tatchell is one man. I know that a majority of the LGBTIQ Community would disagree with his "Age of Consent" ideologies. Especially when it comes to adults sleeping with children. Seems to me he may be covering his *** (no pun intended).

I am personally against NAMBLA also. I think it's sickening and those men do need to be imprisoned. As for the B&B Incident. I am sorry to hear that it happened. However that Gay couple does not represent the total population.

That's the same as blaming all of the Islamic Community for the terrorist attacks by extremists. Or basing ones opinion of Christianity on the actions of say the Westboro Baptists.

You need to speak to some Same-Sex couples, not rely on the media for it's sensationalist ********. Take the extremes from both sides of the debate and cut it right down the centre, then you may manage to cut away the utter ********.

Most of the LGBTIQ Community that I know are hard working, compassionate generally down to earth people. They just want to live life, be recognised as equal and not have to put up with discrimination within the laws and government regulations.

Unfortunately it's always the "bad seeds" on every group that makes the headlines. Because the media loves the chaos. Most LGBTIQ people are just your average everyday run-of-the-mill people. You wouldn't even realise they were gay most probably.

They just want to be happy.

 

[yourgraceisenough]

Tatchell is one man. I know that a majority of the LGBTIQ Community would disagree with his "Age of Consent" ideologies. Especially when it comes to adults sleeping with children. Seems to me he may be covering his *** (no pun intended).

I am personally against NAMBLA also. I think it's sickening and those men do need to be imprisoned. As for the B&B Incident. I am sorry to hear that it happened. However that Gay couple does not represent the total population.

That's the same as blaming all of the Islamic Community for the terrorist attacks by extremists. Or basing ones opinion of Christianity on the actions of say the Westboro Baptists.

You need to speak to some Same-Sex couples, not rely on the media for it's sensationalist ********. Take the extremes from both sides of the debate and cut it right down the centre, then you may manage to cut away the utter ********.

Most of the LGBTIQ Community that I know are hard working, compassionate generally down to earth people. They just want to live life, be recognised as equal and not have to put up with discrimination within the laws and government regulations.

Unfortunately it's always the "bad seeds" on every group that makes the headlines. Because the media loves the chaos. Most LGBTIQ people are just your average everyday run-of-the-mill people. You wouldn't even realise they were gay most probably.

They just want to be happy.

cool tell them to leave Christians alone and life will be great...

 

[Vasiel]

cool tell them to leave Christians alone and life will be great...

I would... but would Christians leave us alone? These things work both ways.

Generally speaking I respect all religions. I've found some merit in each one I have observed. However (sadly) I've noticed with Christianity is the tendency to try and "save" people by restricting their opportunity for equality.

I'm not saying all Christians do such things. But I know plenty that have, and do. If we had equality in the Legal System, would you then be content with having the freedom as to whether or not your congregations could in fact choose not to run ceremonies to marry Same-Sex Couples?

I know if I ever got the chance to get married (though personally it's not a big issue in my life at the moment) I'd probably get a non-denominational (non-religious) celebrant, and hold it at some parkland.

Nothing big, as long as there's a barbecue and some music.

 

[waitasec]

nope homosexuality does not infringe on me or anything else in any other way...

but it bothers God...

The last thing Jesus asks of us to go out and speak the truth of God, I assume from that God does want us to go and tell people what seperates them from him so if they want to do something about that seperation they can...

it's was like pulling teeth

so what is the problem with having people live in agreement?
as far as this country is concerned, who hasn't heard about jesus?
it is close to 80% christian, and the responsibility of showing unbelievers the power of god is wasted once one begins to doubt.
so far throughout this thread i see a controlling christian... and when a person wants to control other people it is a sign of insecurity.
what is wrong with letting god work through you by having you follow the 2 most important commandments... or are you not so sure that will work...so you go about it the easy way...by judging and controlling others, which defeats your purpose.
yet thesse commandments are tossed aside when it comes to what you think hurts gods feelings.
love your neighbor..."what you did to the least of these you also did to me" is also fulling the 1st commandment.
love hopes and trusts. obviously, you don't trust anyone who says to you that they can't change because the are made that way...which puts you in a position where you feel you have to defend god...why? do you need to defend god? is god that weak?
don't you see how self defeating that is?

where is the meek and humble servant god wants? instead i see is a passive aggressive servant of god...and what is the point of all that...?

would it be fair to say that you're anxiousness is the reason you feel you have to defend god and his feelings?

 

[Fester]

bye hopefully by then you will remember what denomination you belong to...

My denomination is irrelevant and none of your business. And try as you might to divert, you made the claim that scripture states homosexuals cannot win the Kingdom. I asked for book, chapter, and verse. That's where we're at right now...

 

[waitasec]

it's as if homosexuality is a special sin...

 

[Vasiel]

it's as if homosexuality is a special sin...

Sadly, that is how it is treated a lot of the time.

 

[Walkntune]

I know this question wasn't directed towards me, but....

It bothers me when people ask me to accept it as normal, acceptable behavior and to embrace it and to teach my children the same.

Bullpoop.

Excellent point. They want to argue for Christians to leave them alone and try and cry from a vulnerable victim point of view yet the true agenda is to push their unhealthy lifestyle which increases the risk of disease and broken homes on our children and into society through the school system and into politics. The mentality is so deceptive and manipulative and I even see it on alot of the posts in here.Its ok though because God still has control!

 

[Walkntune]

Sadly, that is how it is treated a lot of the time.

Not that it is treated as a special sin but its the fact of it trying to be justified in society that it creates such a resistance.

 

[Walkntune]

Several, I expect. Jesus was never big on judgement or condemnation, and he frequently rebuked those who did it. He was big, however, on loving and forgiving one another as God has done for us. He also said that whoever believes will not perish several times. He left the door wide open. It's men who try to close it on people they don't approve of.

Wrong.He preached on hell to those who tried to justify and preached love and grace to the repented sinners.

 

[Walkntune]

unfortunately the pressure will fall on churches to marry gay couples because this is how the gays work, they are not just happy to have their little piece of the world they want every one else to accept them...

Misery loves company.

 

[Walkntune]

thats right once the sin is removed God loves them...

Sorry don't agree with this one. Jesus died for us while we were still in our sins because he loved us.