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How should the Christian Church treat homosexuals?

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yourgraceisenough said:
why should the rules be changed ???
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Because bronze age superstition is condemning the lives of young people for no justifiable reasons.

A few centuries ago, being left-handed could get you burned at the stake after being accused of witchcraft. Interesting how closely this parallels the lives of homosexuals in persecuting communities. Someone who was naturally left handed could exist among the community as long as they weren't seen picking up a hammer, a saw, or any other tool and using it with their left hand. Today, a homosexual can be born and live their lives in your religious cult and you would never know it, unless they stumbled out of the closet for some reason.
 
yourgraceisenough

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work in progress said:
Because bronze age superstition is condemning the lives of young people for no justifiable reasons.

A few centuries ago, being left-handed could get you burned at the stake after being accused of witchcraft. Interesting how closely this parallels the lives of homosexuals in persecuting communities. Someone who was naturally left handed could exist among the community as long as they weren't seen picking up a hammer, a saw, or any other tool and using it with their left hand. Today, a homosexual can be born and live their lives in your religious cult and you would never know it, unless they stumbled out of the closet for some reason.
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so if they have no interest in the bible or word of God they don't need to pay any attention to it...:)

ps I don't belong to a cult...

pps as long as they wern't continuing actively as gay they would be welcome in any congregation...:)
 
9Westy9

9Westy9

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yourgraceisenough said:
so if they have no interest in the bible or word of God they don't need to pay any attention to it...:)

ps I don't belong to a cult...

pps as long as they wern't continuing actively as gay they would be welcome in any congregation...:)
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question. why don't you follow the OT laws?
 
9Westy9

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And I wouldn't expect much to change even after another hundred pages! Fundamentalists who are following rigid rule-based systems of ethics fear that any alterations will threaten their whole order and bring it crashing down. They would rather inflict misery and suffering on others than change the rules.

Likely the only way a fundamentalist changes their approach is if they are confronted with a member of an outside despised group...whether it's a despised religious minority like Muslims, or a despised ethic or racial group, once they get to know someone on a personal level from the despised group...in this case - gays, then denying them rights and condemning them all to hell becomes a little more difficult.

I wouldn't really have any concern about what fundamentalists think or don't think about homosexuals if it wasn't for the tragic fact that they are going to have the same percentage of children who turn out to be gay as the rest of the population. At its worst it has led to high suicide rates among teens growing up in fundie land who think they may be gay....and at it's best it leads to the long line of closeted homosexuals who have varying degrees of success with living in denial....hello Marcus Bachmann!
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And to think i used to be a fundamentalist.So glad I've escaped the madness
 
Knowledge&Truth

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EXACTLY, people in general,not just Christians, try and use religion as a way of out casting homosexuals because they don't understand it or have had it simply instilled in them that it is wrong. but none of us are to judge someones sexual preference.
 
9Westy9

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Knowledge&Truth said:
EXACTLY, people in general,not just Christians, try and use religion as a way of out casting homosexuals because they don't understand it or have had it simply instilled in them that it is wrong. but none of us are to judge someones sexual preference.
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amen brother :D
 
work in progress

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yourgraceisenough said:
so if they have no interest in the bible or word of God they don't need to pay any attention to it...:)

ps I don't belong to a cult...

pps as long as they wern't continuing actively as gay they would be welcome in any congregation...:)
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These points have already been covered before! They are welcome as long as they live a secret life...what kind of morality is that? It can't be good for the gays living within the church, and sure would explain the paranoia of fundamentalists about gay conspiracies against their religions.

And, we've already been over the point that most homosexuals would likely choose to leave your church. If it's in a more rural, isolated community, and all of their friends are part of that church community, that presents a lot of problems. But, there are always going to be some who actually believe the dogmas, but realize that they didn't just wake up one day and decide to be gay. Don't ask me why they are trying to win acceptance by rightwing fundamentalist churches...few would take up the effort, but there's always going to be someone trying to do the impossible.
 
yourgraceisenough

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These points have already been covered before! They are welcome as long as they live a secret life...what kind of morality is that? It can't be good for the gays living within the church, and sure would explain the paranoia of fundamentalists about gay conspiracies against their religions.

And, we've already been over the point that most homosexuals would likely choose to leave your church. If it's in a more rural, isolated community, and all of their friends are part of that church community, that presents a lot of problems. But, there are always going to be some who actually believe the dogmas, but realize that they didn't just wake up one day and decide to be gay. Don't ask me why they are trying to win acceptance by rightwing fundamentalist churches...few would take up the effort, but there's always going to be someone trying to do the impossible.
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who's asking anyone to live a secret life, thats your interpretation....

if they come to God with a repentant heart they will be saved, repentance is all about turning your back on sin, stopping doing sin, If they come to God with no intention of even trying to stop doing sin, they are on very dangerous ground...

they may fool themselves and even others they will not fool God....
 
yourgraceisenough

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9Westy9 said:
What does he mean by fulfil? Especially when he says he didn't come to abolish them
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he didn't come to abolish the law, no because if he simply destroyed the old rules they still applied they would just be torn up or hidden or what ever...

he came to fulfill the law, he lived a life without sin as the law demanded, his fulfilling the law made the agreement with the law complete and therefore no longer binding...
 
9Westy9

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yourgraceisenough said:
he didn't come to abolish the law, no because if he simply destroyed the old rules they still applied they would just be torn up or hidden or what ever...

he came to fulfill the law, he lived a life without sin as the law demanded, his fulfilling the law made the agreement with the law complete and therefore no longer binding...
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Undermines your homosexual argument. If he fulfilled it then it no longer applies.
 
yourgraceisenough

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9Westy9 said:
Same with homosexual ones in the OT surely? Unless you just pick and choose based on personal preference
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it is not a case of picking and chosing the NT speaks against homosexuality as well..

the whole of the bible from the begining to the end speaks against homosexuality...:)
 
9Westy9

9Westy9

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yourgraceisenough said:
it is not a case of picking and chosing the NT speaks against homosexuality as well..

the whole of the bible from the begining to the end speaks against homosexuality...:)
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The question is, of course, why did Paul condemn homosexuality based on Jesus teaching? Especially when he preached salvation for all
 
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