How should the Christian Church treat homosexuals?

[Fester]

what a stupid thing to say , just because you cannot accept the word of God and try to change it to appease homosexuals. The mind boggles it really does :no:

How was this statement any less stupid than the one you were replying to?

 

[ChristineES]

I think I should repeat this: You can decide whether or not you will have sex, but you can't decide who you will be attracted to.

I think that is an important fact.

 

[Fester]

thats hard wired in to us, remember when God said a man and a woman....

So, if you wanted to, you could turn gay just like that, right? I think you should. Turn gay, right now. That would sure shut us bleeding-hearts up, now wouldn't it?

So....let me know when you're gay, and we'll continue.

 

[yourgraceisenough]

"It has also been noted that homosexual males are more often the younger siblings of a number of older brothers.

Scientists have said it might be that the mother develops some kind of resistance to the male Y chromosome in her offspring that makes subsequent baby boys more likely to be born gay."

yet identical twins are born and one can be gay....

 

[yourgraceisenough]

I think I should repeat this: You can decide whether or not you will have sex, but you can't decide who you will be attracted to.

I think that is an important fact.

what rubbish of course you can choose who you are attracted to...

 

[yourgraceisenough]

So, if you wanted to, you could turn gay just like that, right? I think you should. Turn gay, right now. That would sure shut us bleeding-hearts up, now wouldn't it?

So....let me know when you're gay, and we'll continue.

I chose not to be gay just as gays chose to be gay....

 

[Jainarayan]

I chose not to be gay just as gays chose to be gay....

But you could be gay? You have the ability to change your sexual attraction? Not whether you want to or not, do you have the ability?

Tell me, why would I choose to be something that could get me beaten to death, fired, evicted and generally discriminated against?

 

[Fester]

Until your father gives up his lifestyle you are not going to get anywhere, he is choosing to be a homosexual he is enjoying that lifestyle.
Do you want your father to become a Christian and still be gay ?

So if a gay person comes to you seeking to know God, you will turn him away?

 

[Jainarayan]

Btw, can someone tell me what the "gay lifestyle" is? I'd really like to know if I'm living it properly and to its fullest.

 

[ChristineES]

what rubbish of course you can choose who you are attracted to...

Does this mean that I could have chosen to be attracted to Festus (Gunsmoke) instead of Magnum PI? Does this also mean my husband can choose to be attracted to Rosanne rather than Wonder Woman? (Sorry, couldn't resist).

 

[9Westy9]

yet identical twins are born and one can be gay....

That's why there are also hormonal aspects

"Some psychologists, for instance, believe that areas of the brain controlling sexual desire may be affected by hormone irregularities while the child is still in the womb. Other psychologists believe that a homosexual orientation may result from failing to identify properly with other members of the same sex or with the parent of the same sex. Almost all of these theories agree that a person's sexual orientation is set by an early age (about 3 or 4). It is possible, then, that a person could be gay because of something that is neither genetic nor a choice."

 

[yourgraceisenough]

So if a gay person comes to you seeking to know God, you will turn him away?

If the gay person is living in a gay relationship and has no intention of changing that relationship yes I would turn them away from my church, I would talk to them in private, even do a bible study, if they clearly would not change after that I would let them be...

 

[yourgraceisenough]

That's why there are also hormonal aspects

"Some psychologists, for instance, believe that areas of the brain controlling sexual desire may be affected by hormone irregularities while the child is still in the womb. Other psychologists believe that a homosexual orientation may result from failing to identify properly with other members of the same sex or with the parent of the same sex. Almost all of these theories agree that a person's sexual orientation is set by an early age (about 3 or 4). It is possible, then, that a person could be gay because of something that is neither genetic nor a choice."

trust me if any of this was based in solid facts it would be yelled off the rooftops and every newspaper in the world....

 

[Fester]

I chose not to be gay just as gays chose to be gay....

But you could turn gay if you want to, right? You could liplock a guy right now if you choose.

 

[ChristineES]

I still have a question (for those who believe that being gay is a sin): If a person chooses never to have sex again, but is still openly gay, do you still believe that he or she is still sinning or not? What do you think the real sin is: Being gay or sodomy, both or neither? Does this even matter?

 

[Kilgore Trout]

I chose not to be gay just as gays chose to be gay....

So you choose to not act on your homosexual desires?

 

[9Westy9]

trust me if any of this was based in solid facts it would be yelled off the rooftops and every newspaper in the world....

Research tends to disagree with you

"Research suggests that the homosexual orientation is in place very early in the life cycle, possibly even before birth. It is found in about ten percent of the population, a figure which is surprisingly constant across cultures, irrespective of the different moral values and standards of a particular culture."

 

[yourgraceisenough]

So you choose to not act on your homosexual desires?

I don't have homosexual desires....

 

[Fester]

what rubbish of course you can choose who you are attracted to...

You chose to be attracted to your wife? Did you say "I could fall in love with anyone, including that guy over there, but I think I'll fall in love with you. But only because I want to."?

 

[yourgraceisenough]

Research tends to disagree with you

"Research suggests that the homosexual orientation is in place very early in the life cycle, possibly even before birth. It is found in about ten percent of the population, a figure which is surprisingly constant across cultures, irrespective of the different moral values and standards of a particular culture."

yes gay research, again if any of this is based on fact the world would be shoutuing it...