yourgraceisenough
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salvation is for all, all those who turn away from sin, if a gay stops being a gay he can find salvation, would you expect a murderer to accept Jesus and continue murdering...
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How should the Christian Church treat homosexuals?
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salvation is for all, all those who turn away from sin, if a gay stops being a gay he can find salvation, would you expect a murderer to accept Jesus and continue murdering...
Fester
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I'm inclined to agree, though I suspect we have entirely different ideas about who "those" are.
yourgraceisenough
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Clearly not. If homosexuality isn't a choice though.....
wether it is a choice or not is irrelevant, sin is sin God does not hold sin in different degrees it is all sin, if you have no intentions of turning away from the sin you are in, you are fooling yourself about being saved...
If it's not a choice you can't choose to change. Murder is a choice, you can choose to stop doing it (to my knowledge). My theory is that Paul and all the other OT prophets (maybe even Jesus himself) believed homosexuality was a choice. Now that we have evidence to the contrary can people really be judged for something that isn't their fault?
Fester
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I am content to allow God to work His will in others as He sees fit, and not as I see fit. What matters to me is that people come to know God. From that point on, it is God they must follow, and not me.So you are happy with people who believe God is against homosexuality and that no homosexual will enter into heaven to just sit back and let them be lied to about the scripture or even know that if they don't change or try to change they will end up in hell. Am I allowed to mention hell ? I know you lot are very sensitive to the truth
When a gay Christian tells me that they are at peace with God and at peace with who they are, I have neither the right nor the authority to tell them they shouldn't be.
You are allowed to mention hell. I know "you lot" like using that word, a lot.
People who choose to eat pork and shellfish are actively sinning and therefore will go to hell as they have no desire to stop. See the problem?
The thing that always causes me problems is the thought that gays are most likely born that way. If they are born that way, then maybe (if they wanted to) they could refrain from sex, but they could never stop being gay. It is a lot more complicated than you would think. And also, if they were born that way, how could it be a sin? That would be like saying being born with red hair is a sin. I mean you could dye your hair, but you would always be a redhead- because the red would always come back when your hair grew out.
Life is more complicated than just "Do it, don't do it". That is why I refuse to judge gays.EDIT: (And it will be God who will be my judge)
Fester
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I am.
yourgraceisenough
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of course it is a choice, a man can chose to abstain from sex until he gets married or find te right person or for life, a gay man can chose to abstain from sex and by the power of God he could change for ever...
homosexuality is a choice....
of course it is a choice, a man can chose to abstain from sex until he gets married or find te right person or for life, a gay man can chose to abstain from sex and by the power of God he could change for ever...
homosexuality is a choice....
Educate yourself BBC NEWS | Health | How homosexuality is 'inherited'
yourgraceisenough
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educate yourself there is no gay gene...
Congratulations on ignoring biologists
. If you're not ready to reason then you're beyond saving
Fester
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Also, Leviticus is very context-sensitive. When reading the book, one needs to understand to whom it was written, and for what reasons. Knowledge of the region in that point in time is vital as well.
Fester
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So you chose to be heterosexual? At what point in your life did you do that?
I belong to the school of thought: "Before you judge others, take a good look at yourself".
yourgraceisenough
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Congratulations on ignoring biologists
so they have found the gay gene then....lol
yourgraceisenough
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we covered this one heterosexuality is hard wired, God set it that way...
"It has also been noted that homosexual males are more often the younger siblings of a number of older brothers.
Scientists have said it might be that the mother develops some kind of resistance to the male Y chromosome in her offspring that makes subsequent baby boys more likely to be born gay."
It wouldn't be caused by some gene, but by the amount of hormones and testosterone, etc that the fetus is subject to during the pregnancy. (or something like that, I am not a biologist.)
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