How the Law (doesn't really), define "gender identity"

[McBell]

Yes but remember they can't tell us if they think someone with a penis who believes, thinks and feels that they are woman is actually a woman. So it follows then that if someone believes thinks and feels that they are genderqueer they may not actually be genderqueer. I'm just waiting until 2+2=5. I'm sure someone already says it does

Since you have as yet to even acknowledge this post for more than seven pages in the other thread, I thought i would post it here


Pic is a link to the actual full post.

 

[icehorse]

I wish for you to prove that the Law is about the USA and that the world is the USA

You have a kind-of fair point. The laws in the UK are similar, and the whole "gender identity" concept is mostly in the West. From what I know, I *suspect* that other European countries have similar, poor wording.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

You have a kind-of fair point. The laws in the UK are similar, and the whole "gender identity" concept is mostly in the West. From what I know, I *suspect* that other European countries have similar, poor wording.

What is your standard for your usage of the word "poor" and what is your standard for words.
That is the problem in part. You seem to think that you are a we for how and when words are correct.

"
Kønsidentitet
For nogle mennesker vil kønsidentitet være forskellig fra det fødselstildelte køn.
Kønsidentitet er det enkelte individs indre følelse og oplevelse af sit køn. ..."

Kønsidentitet

For nogle mennesker vil kønsidentitet være forskellig fra det fødselstildelte køn.

www.sst.dk

Just google translate the bold part and then notice it is not my defintion. It is an offical Dansih goverment defintion.

 

[We Never Know]

Gender Identity – (noun) one’s internal deeply-held sense of one’s gender which may be the same or different from one’s sex assigned at birth. One’s gender identity may be male, female, neither or both, e.g., non-binary. Everyone has a gender identity. Gender identity is distinct from sexual orientation.​

Definitions | gender-equality-law

www.genderequalitylaw.org

Its goes deeper than "one’s internal deeply-held sense of one’s gender which may be the same or different from one’s sex assigned at birth"

How Many Genders Are There? All 72 Genders List

How many genders are there? Besides male and female, here is a list of all 72 other gender identities that a person may belong to. How can I help my child understand gender identity?

www.medicinenet.com

 

[McBell]

Its goes deeper than "one’s internal deeply-held sense of one’s gender which may be the same or different from one’s sex assigned at birth"

How Many Genders Are There? All 72 Genders List

How many genders are there? Besides male and female, here is a list of all 72 other gender identities that a person may belong to. How can I help my child understand gender identity?

www.medicinenet.com

Looks like post #115.
Except I took the time to put the list in a spoiler.

 

[McBell]

Looks like post #115.
Except I took the time to put the list in a spoiler.

I apologize if that sounded snarky.
That is not my intent.

 

[We Never Know]

I apologize if that sounded snarky.
That is not my intent.

Not at all. I didn't read back that far. I used to post the list or article but people *****ed it was too long. So now I just post either the link or short part with the link.

If some one is too lazy to follow the link and read it, oh well lol

 

[McBell]

Not at all. I didn't read back that far. I used to post the list or article but people *****ed it was too long. So now I just post either the link or short part with the link.

If some one is too lazy to follow the link and read it, oh well lol

It is a long list.
Which is why I put it in a spoiler.
that way the info is right there for those who want to view it and you don't have to spend ten minutes scrolling past it.

 

[Estro Felino]

I think that gender is something determined by medicine. Whether you use medicine to change your body and chemistry, or not.
Because in the 21st century there is absolutely no difference between man and a woman as for customs and habits.
The clothing is identical.
So whenever they say that gender identity is about clothing, I find that extremely ridiculous.

 

[We Never Know]

It is a long list.
Which is why I put it in a spoiler.
that way the info is right there for those who want to view it and you don't have to spend ten minutes scrolling past it.

Used to I would post a short part plus the link.

People would say the link won't open or my data is limited, etc. Can you post more?

So then I started posting the whole article and then people *****ed it was too long.

So... We can't please everyone

 

[icehorse]

What is your standard for your usage of the word "poor" and what is your standard for words.
That is the problem in part. You seem to think that you are a we for how and when words are correct.

"
Kønsidentitet
For nogle mennesker vil kønsidentitet være forskellig fra det fødselstildelte køn.
Kønsidentitet er det enkelte individs indre følelse og oplevelse af sit køn. ..."

Kønsidentitet

For nogle mennesker vil kønsidentitet være forskellig fra det fødselstildelte køn.

www.sst.dk

Just google translate the bold part and then notice it is not my defintion. It is an offical Dansih goverment defintion.

Okay, good example, here's what the translator I used said:

Gender identity is the individual's inner feeling and experience of their gender

This looks similar to the other definitions we've been discussing. Can you see that this is a circular definition? How are they defining "gender"?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Okay, good example, here's what the translator I used said:



This looks similar to the other definitions we've been discussing. Can you see that this is a circular definition? How are they defining "gender"?

Yeah, now you have to explain with what authoirity makes you cliam that it is thus wrong?

The problem is how we know gender as for its referent. You have never explained that.

 

[icehorse]

Yeah, now you have to explain with what authoirity makes you cliam that it is thus wrong?

The problem is how we know gender as for its referent. You have never explained that.

Because boolean logic. The same way we know how to understand all legal definitions.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Because boolean logic. The same way we know how to understand all legal definitions.

You are not a we. You or I as individuals are not we. You are dogmatic if you think you can speak for a we, just because you can write a we and claim it.

 

[icehorse]

You are not a we. You or I as individuals are not we. You are dogmatic if you think you can speak for a we, just because you can write a we and claim it.

Tell that to the judge when you're on trial

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Tell that to the judge when you're on trial

Yeah, but you are not a judge. And judges don't write the laws and in Denmark the defintion of gender identity is not legal.
Check out sst.dk,

 

[icehorse]

Yeah, but you are not a judge. And judges don't write the laws and in Denmark the defintion of gender identity is not legal.
Check out sst.dk,

It seems you want to tun this into a philosophy discussion. Start a new thread and I'll participate. But THIS thread is about legal definitions (it's right there in the title )

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

It seems you want to tun this into a philosophy discussion. Start a new thread and I'll participate. But THIS thread is about legal definitions (it's right there in the title )

Yeah, but in Denmark it is not a legal defintion as such.
So it is dogmatic to demand it must be legal.

Your problem is that you don¨t understand when you are subjective.

Edit: What is the Law versus the law?

 

[icehorse]

Yeah, but in Denmark it is not a legal defintion as such.
So it is dogmatic to demand it must be legal.

Your problem is that you don¨t understand when you are subjective.

Edit: What is the Law versus the law?

hahaha - I'm just responding to the definition YOU provided. I have made no claims as to the nature of the definition.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

hahaha - I'm just responding to the definition YOU provided. I have made no claims as to the nature of the definition.

Yeah, but you claim it must be a legal definition to a certain standard.
We are in general political debates and unless you can show that all of the human world is legal definitions as legal, you have no leg to stand on demand that it must a legal defintion.