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How we know that there was no Flood of Noah.

Skwim

Veteran Member
You are making quite an assertion with no support

I go with the Biblical account. All the mountains under all heavens covered. Noah's boat remarkably nautical and many modern and historical ships benefitted from using the design ratios. Ark of Gilgamesh nought at all. Cube shaped boat would roll all over the ocean like a volleyball.

Noah ark - nautical
Ark of Gilgamesh - nought at all
You heard it here first.

:)
So this is what it looked like.

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Kind of silly don't you think.


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Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
You are making quite an assertion with no support

I go with the Biblical account. All the mountains under all heavens covered. Noah's boat remarkably nautical and many modern and historical ships benefitted from using the design ratios. Ark of Gilgamesh nought at all. Cube shaped boat would roll all over the ocean like a volleyball.

Noah ark - nautical
Ark of Gilgamesh - nought at all
You heard it here first.

:)
What assertion do you think I made without any support? I do believe that you could not understand a fairly straight forward post.

With your belief you need to explain where over five vertical miles of water came from and went to.
 

Hawkins

Well-Known Member
So this is what it looked like.

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Kind of silly don't you think.


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What makes you think that the water needs to cover the whole earth?

For instance, the water may concentrate in one place first then another and another. Humans don't know all kinds of catastrophes to tell. What Noah saw is the place near him.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
What evidence do you have for what you ate today but a year ago? If you don't have the evidence, nor do the 7 billion humans on earth (in terms of only one meal in life among today's humans on earth, not historically)

In reality evidence is a scarce thing. Humans don't rely on such a scarce thing to determine a truth. The nature of history is that it is the recording of 0.0000000000000000000000000000001% overall human activities, mostly reserved for famous figures and events. Out of the scarce amount of the recorded, only 0.00000000000000000000000000000001% of them can actually backed with evidence (if any).

That said. In a nutshell, you don't know what you are talking about!

It is actually out of humans capability to gather evidence, say about what you ate before, that they have to trust with faith on what have been written down (about what you ate that day by an eyewitness) to get to know what could possibly happen. That's how our history was written.

The next point is, how much humans understand catastrophes ever occurred? Using your science as a reference, within 4.5 billions of years how many kinds of catastrophes ever occurred? How many of them are known to humans?

Flood is just a human term used to describe a scenario, or else we may not be able to even write down the scenario. But is it really a flood? Since when you saw a flood covering the top of a mountain? It may be a catastrophe never made known to humans, which Noah had to describe it as a "flood" or else nothing can be written down.

The line of reasoning used in this thread is thus "because you can't present the evidence of what you ate in your life time, such that you can't claim that you ever ate anything". However plausible is your "logic"!

TLDR.

I can see that you do not know how to use evidence. You probably do not understand the concept either. This appears to be an excuse to wallow in ignorance.
 

Hawkins

Well-Known Member
TLDR.

I can see that you do not know how to use evidence. You probably do not understand the concept either. This appears to be an excuse to wallow in ignorance.

That remains your own ignorance, since when you can provide the evidence of your own meals?

The nature of history is that they mostly cannot be supported by evidence. To give you another example as recent as in WWII. Chinese believe that Nanjing massacre occurred but denied by the Japanese. Here we are talking about the killing of 300,000 human lives but cannot be evidenced. That's what history is!

Get a clue, or continue to live in denial and ignorance!
 

Audie

Veteran Member
You are making quite an assertion with no support

I go with the Biblical account. All the mountains under all heavens covered. Noah's boat remarkably nautical and many modern and historical ships benefitted from using the design ratios. Ark of Gilgamesh nought at all. Cube shaped boat would roll all over the ocean like a volleyball.

Noah ark - nautical
Ark of Gilgamesh - nought at all
You heard it here first.

:)

"You are making quite an assertion with no support"

Are you completely without self-awareness?

That went so far past the limits of mere irony, that I
must ask.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
What makes you think that the water needs to cover the whole earth?

For instance, the water may concentrate in one place first then another and another. Humans don't know all kinds of catastrophes to tell. What Noah saw is the place near him.
That was the version that @whirlingmerc said he believed in. You need to pay attention to whom he is responding to.

And a local flood would not work. There are these things called "hills" and "mountains" .
 

Audie

Veteran Member
TLDR.

I can see that you do not know how to use evidence. You probably do not understand the concept either. This appears to be an excuse to wallow in ignorance.


Certainly does not know how to express an idea.
I could no more push my eyes through all of that
then I can push a barge through a cornfield.
 

Hawkins

Well-Known Member
That was the version that @whirlingmerc said he believed in. You need to pay attention to whom he is responding to.

And a local flood would not work. There are these things called "hills" and "mountains" .

You missed the point. Your assumption that it being a flood itself can be wrong. It may not be a flood at all. It can be a catastrophe not yet known to humans.

My question for you is rather, why do you have to continue to say that it is a flood while I pointed out it may not be?
 

Hawkins

Well-Known Member
when you learn how to use evidence I will answer your questions about evidence.

You are projecting when you try to claim that others are ignorant.

It is you who have a misconception about what evidence can be, most likely adapted (or rather brainwashed by) through the long years of secular education!
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
You missed the point. Your assumption that it being a flood itself can be wrong. It may not be a flood at all. It can be a catastrophe not yet known to humans.

My question for you is rather, why do you have to continue to say that it is a flood while I pointed out it may not be?
Then you are totally changing the myth. That is why I always ask believers which version of the myth they believe in.
 

Hawkins

Well-Known Member
Then you are totally changing the myth. That is why I always ask believers which version of the myth they believe in.

It's yet your another misconception.

Myth is the lack of valid accounts of human testimonies. The flood isn't in such a category!

It's not a change of the story. It's to open you to the possibilities of what have been written down!
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
It is you who have a misconception about what evidence can be, most likely adapted (or rather brainwashed by) through the long years of secular education!
Wrong again. You don't understand evidence, what it is and how it is used, I can help you with that. The argument "You don't have all of the evidence" is an argument from ignorance.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
It's yet your another misconception.

Myth is the lack of valid accounts of human testimonies. The flood isn't in such a category!

It's not a change of the story. It's to open you to the possibilities of what have been written down!
Of course it is a myth.

And you are changing the story. But go ahead. Give us your version of the myth.
 

Hawkins

Well-Known Member
Wrong again. You don't understand evidence, what it is and how it is used, I can help you with that. The argument "You don't have all of the evidence" is an argument from ignorance.

It is you who failed to understand what evidence is. Humans in majority seldom rely on evidence to get to a truth. Humans rely mostly on faith in testimonies/witnessing to get to a truth.

You can't evidence your own meals. This is the point to try to wake you up from your delusion of evidence!
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
It is you who failed to understand what evidence is. Humans in majority seldom rely on evidence to get to a truth. Humans rely mostly on faith in testimonies/witnessing to get to a truth.

You can't evidence your own meals. This is the point to try to wake you up from your delusion of evidence!
Still without a clue.

You are trying to justify a belief based upon an argument from ignorance. Your demand that all evidence must be known is ludicrous to say the least.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
You missed the point. Your assumption that it being a flood itself can be wrong. It may not be a flood at all. It can be a catastrophe not yet known to humans.

My question for you is rather, why do you have to continue to say that it is a flood while I pointed out it may not be?

Assumption?

Weird. The books says like "rain", "boat", "drown", "flood"
but it didnt mean any of it? No water? sheeeeeesh.

But of course, whether it meant it or not, it is all bs.
 
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