How we know that there was no Flood of Noah.

[whirlingmerc]

That was the version that @whirlingmerc said he believed in. You need to pay attention to whom he is responding to.

And a local flood would not work. There are these things called "hills" and "mountains" .

Correct!
A local flood was not claimed in the account and would not work as the waters covered“all the high hills under the whole heaven.” You might expect from the data 'billions of dead things buried in rock layers played down by water all over the earth" and what do we see? 'billions of dead things buried in rock layers played down by water all over the earth"

Besides, for a local flood an animal migration is all that was needed,
Mark that NBN ( no boat necessary )

now for a song

 

[Subduction Zone]

Assumption?

Weird. The books says like "rain", "boat", "drown", "flood"
but it didnt mean any of it? No water? sheeeeeesh.

But of course, whether it meant it or not, it is all bs.

It seems to me that creationists have no clue what he word "assumption" means. They try to use it as an insult that will not get them in trouble.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Correct a local flood was not claimed in the account and would not work as the waters covered“all the high hills under the whole heaven.”

besides for a local flood an animal migration is all that was needed, NBN no boat necessary

Wow! I do agree with that.

But you can see by how a fellow believer with a different approach makes my demand that one define clearly which version of the flood that they believe in is a must.

 

[ecco]

The nature of history is that it is the recording of 0.0000000000000000000000000000001% overall human activities, mostly reserved for famous figures and events. Out of the scarce amount of the recorded, only 0.00000000000000000000000000000001% of them can actually backed with evidence (if any). However plausible is your "logic"!

How did you calculate the percentages?

 

[whirlingmerc]

So this is what it looked like.

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Kind of silly don't you think.​

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Not really... mountains could''ve been lower and during the catastrophic motion of the plates at the time, parts of the plates could ram another plate and life mountains higher

You assume mountains were as high as they were now. There are secular scientists who are starting to claim the earth was once entirely covered with water based on what they see. Imagine my surprise

Early Earth was covered in a global ocean and had no mountains

You can also rule out water for oceans coming from a rain of comets... we would expect deuterium

 

[Audie]

It seems to me that creationists have no clue what he word "assumption" means. They try to use it as an insult that will not get them in trouble.

No, I think it is like a magic-zap word.

Just say it and it collapses any argument
based on data. It is like SEDI that way.

 

[Audie]

So this is what it looked like.

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Kind of silly don't you think.​

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The interesting thing is that he found Mt Everest
and dropped a sounding line, to determine that
it was 15 cubits down.

Not, you know, 12 or 15.97642 cubits. Fifteen.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Not really... mountains could''ve been lower and during the catastrophic motion of the plates at the time, parts of the plates could ram another plate and life mountains higher

You assume mountains were as high as they were now. There are secular scientists who are starting to claim the earth was once entirely covered with water based on what they see. Imagine my surprise

Early Earth was covered in a global ocean and had no mountains

You can also rule out water for oceans coming from a rain of comets... we would expect deuterium

Did you read that article? That was 4.4 BILLION (sorry for yelling) years ago. Mount Everest is only tens of millions of years old. Again, don't use the word "assume" when you are the one lacking any education in the sciences. Mt. Everest was roughly the same height for all of the time that humans have walked the Earth.

And no, those were not "secular scientists" those were just scientists. Some scientists are atheists, some are Christians, some are Jewish, and even though it can be a highly repressive religion some are even Muslim.

But it is nice to see that you can rule out comets. You are going to cook Noah no matter what you do, but 5 miles of water from comets may have even destroyed the Earth's crust.

 

[ecco]

We know there was no flood because Good God would never have done such a cruel thing. He would not have drowned millions of innocent women and children. He would not have buried millions of innocent women and children alive in mudslides.

What actually happened was that Good God put everyone on earth in a trance. Then He instilled into them a distant memory of a Great Flood coupled with the lesson of what could happen if people didn't correct their evil ways.

At the time it didn't matter that there was no physical evidence for a Great Flood. Today, we know that there is no evidence of a Great Flood. That's how we know that the Good Godly Trance is the correct interpretation of the Bible.

 

[Shaul]

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All that proved was the author made certain assumptions and interpretations of the Genesis account.

 

[Shaul]

Correct!
A local flood was not claimed in the account and would not work as the waters covered“all the high hills under the whole heaven.” You might expect from the data 'billions of dead things buried in rock layers played down by water all over the earth" and what do we see? 'billions of dead things buried in rock layers played down by water all over the earth"

Besides, for a local flood an animal migration is all that was needed,
Mark that NBN ( no boat necessary )

now for a song

Not so fast. The phrase “all the high hills” could have an alternate interpretation. This could refer to Mt. Zion and Mt. Moriah. These are the highest mountains from the spiritual perspective. The Flood could have been only covering these and possibly even localized. Some Jewish sources say just that.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Not so fast. The phrase “all the high hills” could have an alternate interpretation. This could refer to Mt. Zion and Mt. Moriah. These are the highest mountains from the spiritual perspective. The Flood could have been only covering these and possibly even localized. Some Jewish sources say just that.

Different believers have different beliefs, which is why I always ask those that accept the flood to clearly lay out their beliefs. Out of curiosity is this your belief? If so how tall are those mountains?

 

[whirlingmerc]

Not so fast. The phrase “all the high hills” could have an alternate interpretation. This could refer to Mt. Zion and Mt. Moriah. These are the highest mountains from the spiritual perspective. The Flood could have been only covering these and possibly even localized. Some Jewish sources say just that.

"under the whole heavens" would rule that out
as would the need for a boat... migration would suffice

Clearly a local flood needs no boat and would not take a year to get to the edge of the local flood

 

[Shaul]

Different believers have different beliefs, which is why I always ask those that accept the flood to clearly lay out their beliefs. Out of curiosity is this your belief? If so how tall are those mountains?

Um, hello, I’m Jewish.

For me the height of the mountains during the Flood is unknown and irrelevant. Seeking scientific evidence from a non-scientific account is silly, IMHO. What is relevant that Torah says it happened and that there are spiritual lessons to be gained from the account.

 

[whirlingmerc]

 

[Subduction Zone]

"under the whole heavens" would rule that out
as would the need for a boat... migration would suffice

Clearly a local flood needs no boat and would not take a year to get to the edge of the local flood

You are going to run into a host of problems with a worldwide flood. Even the flood that @Shaul mentioned suffers from most of these problems. The icecaps have been in place for longer than man has been on the Earth. Why did they not float and get destroyed? There is no universal population bottleneck. There is no physical evidence of an event that would have definitely left physical evidence. Depending upon one's timing for the flood it was somehow ignored by quite a few civilizations.

And of course there is the problem of cooking Noah with almost any source of water.

 

[whirlingmerc]

I do like Jonathan Edwards take
Noah gave a sacrifice after the flood and God set His bow in the clouds
God's bow (same word as for bow and arrow) and aimed toward heaven.
God's bow is aimed at the man in heaven, Jesus, who would someday take God's wrath.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Um, hello, I’m Jewish.

For me the height of the mountains during the Flood is unknown and irrelevant. Seeking scientific evidence from a non-scientific account is silly, IMHO. What is relevant that Torah says it happened and that there are spiritual lessons to be gained from the account.

That is a lame excuse at best. One can analyze claims using the sciences to see if there is any merit to them or not. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt of setting the details of the flood. You may believe that it happened, but you should really try to see why we know that it did not happen.

One question, can your version of God lie?

 

[Shaul]

"under the whole heavens" would rule that out
as would the need for a boat... migration would suffice

Clearly a local flood needs no boat and would not take a year to get to the edge of the local flood

Again, not so fast. “Under the whole heavens” could be only referring to those particular mountains. As in “the highest [spiritual] mountains [which] are under the whole heavens”. Migration would be irrelevant because the antediluvian people had not dispersed yet. According to Genesis that happened later, after the Tower of Babel.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I do like Jonathan Edwards take
Noah gave a sacrifice after the flood and God set His bow in the clouds
God's bow (same word as for bow and arrow) and aimed toward heaven.
God's bow is aimed at the man in heaven, Jesus, who would someday take God's wrath.

The rainbow is another problem. There are fossilized raindrops that tell us that rain always existed on the Earth. Rain means rainbows.