How we know that there was no Flood of Noah.

[Cacotopia]

Different believers have different beliefs, which is why I always ask those that accept the flood to clearly lay out their beliefs. Out of curiosity is this your belief? If so how tall are those mountains?

765 m and zion is 768 m, which is still impossible.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I do have 4 degrees in engineering and heard the cases from both sides and frankly
flood geology, flood made fossils, flood cause short ice age all make sense

Soft tissues fossils like fossil jellyfish or fossils of animals eating each other or fossils of animals giving birth or even fossils of both plant and animal cutting across so called 'millions of years' of geological layers suggest rapid burial in a flood event the better explaination.

You are terribly confused at best. Creationists have no explanation for the fossil record. The fossils and strata we would see from a one year mega flood is not what we observe.

I am totally unaware of any "soft tissue" of jelly fish being preserved, you may be conflating that with rare impression molds of jellyfish.

There are no fossils that cut across millions of years of sediments. It is rather clear that you have been listening to lying sources and have done no real studying on your own.

 

[Subduction Zone]

765 m and zion is 768 m, which is still impossible.

I suspected that was the case. Unfortunately he already as much as admitted that he won't be reasonable.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Ironically the people of Noah's day didn't believe it either.

Isn't it interesting many scientist believe in a worldwide flood on Mars where there is hardly any water
and only some believe in one on earth where there is enough water to cover the planet to 2 miles if smoothed

What makes you think that scientists believe there was a planet wide flood on Mars?

You shouldn't rely on creationist sources. They tend to get all science wrong.

 

[whirlingmerc]

mega flood
Remnants of a mega-flood on Mars
Evidence Of An Ancient Mega-Flood On Mars
Global Flood on Mars: Where Did the Water Go?
hmm 'global flood' on mars?

in any case we all agree what you see today is not necessarily the conditions
back in history

but there is more water on earth for a mega mega flood

Clearly secular scientists believe in a catastrophic global flood on Mars
“There is no longer any doubt that the surface of Mars has in the past been covered by huge volumes of water which spread over vast areas. These resulted from cataclysmic outflows, which were also responsible for catastrophic erosion of channels and valleys, on a scale far greater than anything comparable on Earth, and deposition of sedimentary strata.” Water activity on Mars: Landscapes and Sedimentary Strata.

 

[Cacotopia]

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. That's the bottom line, if all you got is the bible that's not enough.

In order for me to believe. I would need you to pray to god, make it rain, but the rain came down in a checker board pattern, of heptahedral patterns, and the water did not flow but magically stacked up into towers of water defying gravity in symmetrically perfect heptagons. And then transmuted that water into rock and upon each pillar had fossilized inscriptions of I am the one true god in every possible language that had existed and will exist on this planet.

Then I'll believe. Because if all you got is a book that is filled with the same sort of impossible stuff as I just wrote up there, it's not enough.

 

[whirlingmerc]

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. That's the bottom line, if all you got is the bible that's not enough.

In order for me to believe. I would need you to pray to god, make it rain, but the rain came down in a checker board pattern, of heptahedral patterns, and the water did not flow but magically stacked up into towers of water defying gravity in symmetrically perfect heptagons. And then transmuted that water into rock and upon each pillar had fossilized inscriptions of I am the one true god in every possible language that had existed and will exist on this planet.

Then I'll believe. Because if all you got is a book that is filled with the same sort of impossible stuff as I just wrote up there, it's not enough.

Who says it's only the Bible ?
Jesus believed in Noah and he died and came back from the dead.

 

[Subduction Zone]

mega flood
Remnants of a mega-flood on Mars
Evidence Of An Ancient Mega-Flood On Mars

in any case we all agree what you see today is not necessarily the conditions
back in history

but there is more water on earth for a mega mega flood

So you do not understand the sources that you linked. It does not claim a planet wide flood. Yes there is evidence of a very large flood on Mars, that is not "worldwide" .

 

[Subduction Zone]

Who says it's only the Bible ?
Jesus believed in Noah and he died and came back from the dead.

So now you are claiming that Jesus was not divine? You might have a point there.

 

[Cacotopia]

Who says it's only the Bible ?
Jesus believed in Noah and he died and came back from the dead.

ugh...you still don't get it. Resurrection is a HUGE claim, "the bible says" sorry, screw the bible, the bible saying whatever doesn't mean anything unless you can prove it. Where else does it say Jesus was resurrected?

 

[Subduction Zone]

And to add to my last post, the claim of Christians is that Jesus came back from the dead. There is no evidence of that.

 

[Cacotopia]

Evidence is not "it says so, so there"

 

[Subduction Zone]

ugh...you still don't get it. Resurrection is a HUGE claim, "the bible says" sorry, screw the bible, the bible saying whatever doesn't mean anything unless you can prove it. Where else does it say Jesus was resurrected?

Sort of like the claim that five hundred people saw Jesus after he rose. What was the source for that? One author in the Bible

 

[Subduction Zone]

@whirlingmerc , what are your engineering degrees in?

 

[Cacotopia]

Take faith out of the equation and you have nothing. faith has zero to do with facts. If you are trying to prove something to us, we need demonstrable evidence.

 

[whirlingmerc]

@whirlingmerc , what are your engineering degrees in?

Electrical Engineering and Computer engineering
however for 3 years I was in Physics and transferred in

 

[Subduction Zone]

Electrical Engineering and Computer engineering
however for 3 years I was in Physics and transferred in

Sadly neither of those fields allow you to see the errors that you made.

Most, though not all, sedimentary strata are the product of slow steady deposition. You indirectly referred to "polystrat fossils" a misnomer since they almost always are of one stratum. Vertical trees can and do stand for hundreds of years after they die. In geologic time that is still "rapid burial". You might want to look up ghost forests.

 

[gnostic]

Who says it's only the Bible ?
Jesus believed in Noah and he died and came back from the dead.

That just it.

Jesus believe in the story of Noah. Many people back then also did.

Jesus didn't provide anything else useful that conclusively indicate the flood or Noah himself were factual history other than his say so.

That's just Jesus' opinion, not fact.

 

[whirlingmerc]

That just it.

Jesus believe in the story of Noah. Many people back then also did.

Jesus didn't provide anything else useful that conclusively indicate the flood or Noah himself were factual history other than his say so.

That's just Jesus' opinion, not fact.

If Jesus came back from the dead, His claims carry allot of weight

 

[whirlingmerc]

Sadly neither of those fields allow you to see the errors that you made.

Most, though not all, sedimentary strata are the product of slow steady deposition. You indirectly referred to "polystrat fossils" a misnomer since they almost always are of one stratum. Vertical trees can and do stand for hundreds of years after they die. In geologic time that is still "rapid burial". You might want to look up ghost forests.

It would have to be quite rapid of a burial to fossilize a Jellyfish

or a fish eating a fish

or a fossil of a creature giving birth