How we know that there was no Flood of Noah.

[ecco]

Even for creation.com, that is really really stupid.

Lie like dogs, and call it "facts".

Shameful!

It's not a lie if the people making the statement really believe it. Stupid? Yes. Completely ignorant? Yes. A lie? Probably not.

Shameful? I don't always hold people responsible for their ignorance. Years of fundamentalist indoctrination usually has very lasting effects.

 

[ecco]

The creationist source of course did not link their source

So someone made up a story and the sheeples ate it up.

 

[Subduction Zone]

So someone made up a story and the sheeples ate it up.

Yep, I can't refute the story because there is nothing to refute. Another example of creationists being Not Even Wrong.

 

[Audie]

It's not a lie if the people making the statement really believe it. Stupid? Yes. Completely ignorant? Yes. A lie? Probably not.

Shameful? I don't always hold people responsible for their ignorance. Years of fundamentalist indoctrination usually has very lasting effects.

Well, seems to me that those among the creationt writers
do know better, but they, like tobacco scientidts or oj
lawyers, follow opportunity.

Too, those working in a setting that involves-so thry say-
immortal souls at peril of eternal damnation,0have a deep
fiduciary duty of care. The utmost of due diligence is
called for!

And what do they do with it? Spread falsehoods with reckless
abandon.

Criminal negligence is you know, deliberate, not involuntary
or the result of a mere moment's inattention.

No effort at truth or accuracy, every manipulative phrase and innuedo,
misrepresentation and distortion. A simple overdight or a moment's
inattention, and that is whst happens? Not likely.

You dont do that by merely being naive. Naive is tp think
they dont know exactly what they are doing.

A mere lie as such is nothing compared to the work of
people at the likes of AIG, creation.com, who are
professional liars and far worse.

"Shameful" does not scoop low enough to touch the
best of what they do.

 

[james dixon]

First look up the word "facile".

Definition of facile

1 a (1) : easily accomplished or attained a facile victory (2) : shallow, simplistic

I am not concerned … with offering any facile solution for so complex a problem —T. S. Eliot

b : used or comprehended with ease

c : readily manifested and often lacking sincerity or depth facile tears

Audie, I did as you asked and failed to see your point.
Treat me like a 6th grader and tell it like it is on a level I can understand; ok

 

[james dixon]

Those are examples of long slow erosion.

No, these examples are not due to long term erosion. Even the articles that I got that showed these pictures stated the erosion was from a "flood". The erosion you see did not occur overnight but over a period of several years. Still it was water erosion, not the wind.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Definition of facile

1 a (1) : easily accomplished or attained a facile victory (2) : shallow, simplistic

I am not concerned … with offering any facile solution for so complex a problem —T. S. Eliot

b : used or comprehended with ease

c : readily manifested and often lacking sincerity or depth facile tears

Audie, I did as you asked and failed to see your point.
Treat me like a 6th grader and tell it like it is on a level I can understand; ok

If you acted in a more mature manner people would not treat you in a way that you do not approve.

The images that you posted only told us of your ignorance. It did nothing to help you defend your belief.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No, these examples are not due to long term erosion. Even the articles that I got that showed these pictures stated the erosion was from a "flood". The erosion you see did not occur overnight but over a period of several years. Still it was water erosion, not the wind.

Water erosion does not mean a flood. And it was not "several years" it was probably more years than man has been on the planet. Post the article again, and if a valid one, I will help you to understand it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Actually the flood is the perfect way to make fossils
To make a fossil you need dead things, lots of water and lots of mud

fossil hat made in a tasmania mine over 50 years

I missed this one. Such an ignorant post is amazing.

That is a concretion, not a fossil. Learn the difference.

 

[Audie]

I missed this one. Such an ignorant post is amazing.

That is a concretion, not a fossil. Learn the difference.

Looks like a hat, but I dont see any link to the story.

A fossil is anything that has been buried, and if that hat
was buried it is a fossil. Which adds up to a total so-what
and demonstration of a worthless thing equivocation is.

What is thought to be special or signinficant about the hat?

I doubt your pal will learn much from being told it is
ignorant to post the photo.

 

[Audie]

Definition of facile

1 a (1) : easily accomplished or attained a facile victory (2) : shallow, simplistic

I am not concerned … with offering any facile solution for so complex a problem —T. S. Eliot

b : used or comprehended with ease

c : readily manifested and often lacking sincerity or depth facile tears

Audie, I did as you asked and failed to see your point.
Treat me like a 6th grader and tell it like it is on a level I can understand; ok

Ok so you got it that facile refers to a shallow and simplistic understanding.

Lets go off in a little diff direction.

Can you describe the flood? W Brown's "hydroplate theoty"?
You know, continents moving about, wild violence of that sort?

Mt Everest was a hill, or did not exist pre flood? features

Would erosional such ss you illudtrated be formed while
the rain was coming down, or from runoff after?
Both?

Where did the water go? Underground, to Neptune?

Just want to see where you are coming from.

 

[ecco]

[Q TE]

Well, seems to me that those among the creationt writers
do know better, but they, like tobacco scientidts or oj
lawyers, follow opportunity.

I once sincerely believed that no really intelligent person could believe in God. I had even convinced myself that anyone who could rise to the point of becoming a Pope, could not possibly believe in God.

Then I learned about the power of childhood indoctrination. What we learn from very early on, stays with us.

Take language as an example. I was raised bi-lingual. Downstairs, at my grandparents, I spoke and thought, in German; upstairs and outside I spoke English.

Many years ago at a party I met some people from Germany. I hadn't spoken German in many years but I gave it a try. The visitors were very surprised that I was born and raised in America. They noted that I spoke German with a specific regional accent.

I'd guess you can relate.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Looks like a hat, but I dont see any link to the story.

A fossil is anything that has been buried, and if that hat
was buried it is a fossi

it probably was not buried. It doesn't appear to have been since it would have lost its shape. There are high mineral streams at places and objects hung in a waterfall can be "fossilized" in a short time. It is similar to how a hot water pipe can become lined with calcium deposits.

It shows typical creationist ignorance. We don't know that strata are old simply because they have fossils, but because of how the material was deposited. Thousands of feet of strata that had to be deposited very slowly tells us that they are old.

But ignoring the obvious and making ludicrous arguments is a creationist specialty.

 

[ecco]

Not all Christian scientists accept the findings of AnswersInGenesis.

More about the author​

The primary objective of The GeoChristian is to increase science literacy in the Evangelical Christian community.

I believe that all truth is God’s truth, whether found in the pages of Scripture, or revealed in nature.
The Bible says what God wants it to say. I also believe that God reveals himself through his creation, and therefore science is a valid and important endeavor.
There is some overlap between the subjects of science and theology. If there is conflict between the two (and I believe this conflict to be small) then either our understanding of nature or our understanding of scripture is somehow defective. In the end there will be no conflict between the two.


My qualifications for writing this blog about science, the environment, and Christianity include:

• M.S. degree in Geology from Washington State University
• B.S. degree in Earth Science from Montana State University
• Teaching certificate in Chemistry from University of Missouri-St. Louis
• Additional schooling: University of Utah, Missouri Baptist College, Covenant Theological Seminary (PCA)
• Almost six years of service as a missionary/teacher with ReachGlobal (Evangelical Free Church of America)
• Membership in the Geological Society of America, the American Scientific Affiliation, and the Affiliation of Christian Geologists

Best of the GeoChristian

Why “GeoChristian?”

The Earth. Christianity. They go together

The Gospel

I do have an advocate before the father — If I am wrong about my old-Earth ways, I have one who speaks to the Father in my defense, Jesus Christ the righteous one. He is the propitiation for my sins, including doctrinal errors. But I don’t think I am wrong about the age of the Earth.

Ken Ham and I are in complete agreement — Ken and I disagree about young-Earth creationism but we agree about something far more important: we are saved by grace alone through faith in Jesus Christ alone.
​

Clearly, he is not a raging atheist. If you really want to learn about science from a Christian, you should spend some time on this man's website.

​

 

[Audie]

[Q TE]

I once sincerely believed that no really intelligent person could believe in God. I had even convinced myself that anyone who could rise to the point of becoming a Pope, could not possibly believe in God.

Then I learned about the power of childhood indoctrination. What we learn from very early on, stays with us.

Take language as an example. I was raised bi-lingual. Downstairs, at my grandparents, I spoke and thought, in German; upstairs and outside I spoke English.

Many years ago at a party I met some people from Germany. I hadn't spoken German in many years but I gave it a try. The visitors were very surprised that I was born and raised in America. They noted that I spoke German with a specific regional accent.

I'd guess you can relate.

For sure.

Hong Kong, they will say.

My English is a little harder to work out,
esp as I tend to inadvertantly mimic
whoever I am talking to.

Plus some Britishism I dont care to change.

 

[Audie]

it probably was not buried. It doesn't appear to have been since it would have lost its shape. There are high mineral streams at places and objects hung in a waterfall can be "fossilized" in a short time. It is similar to how a hot water pipe can become lined with calcium deposits.

It shows typical creationist ignorance. We don't know that strata are old simply because they have fossils, but because of how the material was deposited. Thousands of feet of strata that had to be deposited very slowly tells us that they are old.

But ignoring the obvious and making ludicrous arguments is a creationist specialty.

Who can tell from a photo.

I saw a car get "fossilized" like the hat if it is as
you suggest. Hot windy day, a sprinkler with
hard water sprayed it for a couple of hours.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Not all Christian scientists accept the findings of AnswersInGenesis.

More about the author​

The primary objective of The GeoChristian is to increase science literacy in the Evangelical Christian community.

I believe that all truth is God’s truth, whether found in the pages of Scripture, or revealed in nature.
The Bible says what God wants it to say. I also believe that God reveals himself through his creation, and therefore science is a valid and important endeavor.
There is some overlap between the subjects of science and theology. If there is conflict between the two (and I believe this conflict to be small) then either our understanding of nature or our understanding of scripture is somehow defective. In the end there will be no conflict between the two.


My qualifications for writing this blog about science, the environment, and Christianity include:

• M.S. degree in Geology from Washington State University
• B.S. degree in Earth Science from Montana State University
• Teaching certificate in Chemistry from University of Missouri-St. Louis
• Additional schooling: University of Utah, Missouri Baptist College, Covenant Theological Seminary (PCA)
• Almost six years of service as a missionary/teacher with ReachGlobal (Evangelical Free Church of America)
• Membership in the Geological Society of America, the American Scientific Affiliation, and the Affiliation of Christian Geologists

Best of the GeoChristian

Why “GeoChristian?”

The Earth. Christianity. They go together

The Gospel

I do have an advocate before the father — If I am wrong about my old-Earth ways, I have one who speaks to the Father in my defense, Jesus Christ the righteous one. He is the propitiation for my sins, including doctrinal errors. But I don’t think I am wrong about the age of the Earth.

Ken Ham and I are in complete agreement — Ken and I disagree about young-Earth creationism but we agree about something far more important: we are saved by grace alone through faith in Jesus Christ alone.
​

Clearly, he is not a raging atheist. If you really want to learn about science from a Christian, you should spend some time on this man's website.

​

I at times like to use Christian sources as well. Sadly most creationists will in all odds discount these people as "Not real Christians" .

 

[Audie]

I at times like to use Christian sources as well. Sadly most creationists will in all odds discount these people as "Not real Christians" .

Or in this case, not yec. Just as bad perhaps.

Anyway, be nice to our misguided one.

He is being polite.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Who can tell from a photo.

I saw a car get "fossilized" like the hat if it is as
you suggest. Hot windy day, a sprinkler with
hard water sprayed it for a couple of hours.

burying a soft hat will flatten it. It will then be preserved flat, not in its original shape.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Or in this case, not yec. Just as bad perhaps.

Anyway, be nice to our misguided one.

He is being polite.

I think we have different of "polite '.